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Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by bgoldy »

nknighthb wrote: post #10
rurounijones wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about for someone like Google. Maybe I still have the veneer of "Google have the best in the world" in my thinking, but Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it.

> Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it Good thing nobody said "setting a high bar", then. You're choosing to read the statement in strained manner that doesn't match my reading of its intended meaning at all .

We could get into and endless debate about SLA's, their meaning, and their value. I don't think our bar for GA and the SLA are correlated. nknighthb's interpretation is correct. The bar has to do with a wide variety of other factors including our commitment to the business, how we are focusing on customer support, view of go to market and investments there, technical aspects like performance consistency, data throughput, peering, private backbones, encryption at rest, hardware, and so many other layers. We could have just said "GA" in May at IO when we also had an SLA of 99.95% but the SLA isn't even close to enough. It's just a factor and definitely not the most important one.

Hope this helps clarify :)

-Brian

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by res0nat0r »

mik3y wrote: post #9

So now might be as good a time as any to ask: any happy GCE-using EC2 refugees that have tools/tips to share after making the jump? I saw someone tried to add GCE support to boto a while back [1], but after some discussion it seems there was a decision not to support it [2]. (I don't know enough about the platform differences to say whether it make sense..) [1] https://github.com/boto/boto/pull/1159 [2] https://group…

Mitch now works for AWS, and he probably can barely keep up with adding all of the new features that AWS releases plus the exiting boto bugs, so I'm guessing GCE support on top of that is out of scope and the project is just focused on supporting any and all AWS features?

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

#13

Post by chaz »

rurounijones wrote: post #8
nknighthb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it's a high bar. This isn't electricity or a phone line. There are complex layers on top of complex layers. And they are going to come crashing down at some point. The cost of ensuring otherwise scales non-linearly. I don't want my VM to cost a substantial fraction of a Space Shuttle, thank you.

Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about for someone like Google. Maybe I still have the veneer of "Google have the best in the world" in my thinking, but Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it.

Like Amazon.com and AWS, Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. So while the employee experience and expertise may carry over, the infrastructure doesn't. EC2 had serious outages even though Amazon.com stayed up and running. And GCE only offers 3 data centers compared to the 13 that they have for their core. I'm not even sure the 3 they offer intersect with the 13.

It's a new line of business, and expect some serious rough patches. Google's brand will immediately step it up to a top-tier provider, but how they handle outages and deliver innovation will really dictate how well it plays out in the marketplace.

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by rurounijones »

bgoldy wrote: post #11
nknighthb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it Good thing nobody said "setting a high bar", then. You're choosing to read the statement in strained manner that doesn't match my reading of its intended meaning at all .

We could get into and endless debate about SLA's, their meaning, and their value. I don't think our bar for GA and the SLA are correlated. nknighthb's interpretation is correct. The bar has to do with a wide variety of other factors including our commitment to the business, how we are focusing on customer support, view of go to market and investments there, technical aspects like performance consistency, data through…

Hang on, I think I have just realised a mistake on my part.

In your quote on the site when you said "General Availabilty" you were referring to the releあse.

I mis-understood, I thought you were referring to "General Availability" as a synonym for uptime (Probably translated to "High Availability" in my head), not in the "released to General Availability" sense.

My apologies to all.

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by packetslave »

chaz wrote: post #13
rurounijones wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about for someone like Google. Maybe I still have the veneer of "Google have the best in the world" in my thinking, but Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it.

Like Amazon.com and AWS, Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. So while the employee experience and expertise may carry over, the infrastructure doesn't. EC2 had serious outages even though Amazon.com stayed up and running. And GCE only offers 3 data centers compared to the 13 that they have for their core. I'm not even sure the 3 they offer intersect with the 13. It's a new line of business, and e…

Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE.

This is not true

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by xshoppyx »

chaz wrote: post #13
rurounijones wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Condescending tone aside: They have matched Amazon - As far as I am concerned "meeting the standard set by a competitor" is not something worth gushing about for someone like Google. Maybe I still have the veneer of "Google have the best in the world" in my thinking, but Google "setting a high bar" is beating the competition, not matching it.

Like Amazon.com and AWS, Google.com doesn't share the same infrastructure as GCE. So while the employee experience and expertise may carry over, the infrastructure doesn't. EC2 had serious outages even though Amazon.com stayed up and running. And GCE only offers 3 data centers compared to the 13 that they have for their core. I'm not even sure the 3 they offer intersect with the 13. It's a new line of business, and e…

Do you have a source citing both Amazon and Google have not (re)built their sites on top of their public cloud services? Also, it is possible Amazon has built their website on top of AWS, and incorporating multi-region durability. This would make it possible for an AWS region to go down, and Amazon to still operate.

Re: Google Cloud Compute Engine goes live

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Post by kevando »

tiziano88 wrote: post #18
mnml_ wrote: post #16

Expensive, and good luck getting client trust back after what they did with App Engine.

What's wrong with GAE? Honest question, I was considering deploying my next project there

It's great. I use it mostly for small projects and weird prototyping ideas (http://wookietranslator.com). It does take a while to configure and get going (unlike Heroku) but Google has good documentation for Python.
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