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Re: Yotaphone

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Post by maaaats » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:47 PM UTC

mbq wrote: post #79

maaaats wrote: post #28

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Nokia used to have this, and they recently added it to their newer Lumia models, called "Glance". It's cool, can show time, wallpaper and notifications. Example image: http://www.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/la...

Still, it just turns off a half of all pixels -- this way the energy consumption is significantly higher than for e-ink.

Yes. But at least for amoled, it can backlight only the shown pixels.

My Lumia 920 has IPS LCD, so it need to backlight the entire screen. But still, the energy consumption isn't that high. It turns off the screen when in the pocket. I have more than enough juice left at the end of the day.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by Millennium » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:57 PM UTC

whichdan wrote: post #96

Millennium wrote: post #95

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Too tough to push apps onto people.

That, and the refresh rates are still way too slow.

The refresh rates are fine unless you want to run apps, but that's precisely what makes them unappealing to manufacturers. App stores have become quite the revenue stream, and the people who want E-ink displays are, by and large, not buying into that revenue stream.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by Semaphor » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 5:10 PM UTC

rkangel wrote: post #62

haversine wrote: post #53

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It's interesting how often people talk about looking for the scrolling hint. Until (sort-of-)recently, the presence of the _scroll bar_ was the hint, and it worked well for the multiple decades it had been in use. I had mostly gotten used to the new super scrolly pages, but this site breaks it by looking like a one-screen site with a footer and sidebar.

I'd disagree - the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen. I had entirely missed that you were meant to scroll. And even when I found out it was irritating - I'm on a desktop with a mouse with a scrollwheel, and the distance I had to scroll was enormous.

> the hint was normally that content was disappearing off the bottom of the screen.

Which is another reason all those great looking but horrible to use single page sites that make it look like what you land on is all there is are an atrocity.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by Semaphor » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 5:12 PM UTC

basicallydan wrote: post #60

tbarbugli wrote: post #51

Looks like everyone is bitching and only talking about the scrolling issue (very common HN meta feedback). I find the use of eink screen brilliant! I hope they manage to go on the market (and in EU too!)

Ditto. I'm kinda fed up of people focusing on websites when the story is clearly about a cool new phone with an advanced display. If folks would spend a few seconds ignoring the site and thinking about the product they might enjoy themselves a bit more. By all means critique the site but don't let that be your only contribution.

The problem is that I'd like to read what they want to sell without having to check the HN comments.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by SkyMarshal » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 5:33 PM UTC

benjamincburns wrote: post #86

SkyMarshal wrote: post #73

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Downvote all the nitpicking, upvote the discussion on the actual phone.

I hope this doesn't become status quo. Anecdotally, it seems like the vast majority of downvotes are for attitude issues rather than disagreement. Even in the case where someone is outright wrong ("blah blah, because 1+1=3"), they're far more likely to receive replies which (often politely) contradict what they're saying than they are to receive downvotes ("are you sure about that? wolfram [1] says 1+1=2"), as long a…

Reflexive nitpicking and ankle-biting is completely orthogonal to, and can even obscure, the valuable discussions on the actual topic that you're referring to. It's a Signal:Noise problem, you're referring to Signal, me to Noise.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by romaniv » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 5:44 PM UTC

Trufa wrote: post #27

BrechtVds wrote: post #2

The "Scroll down" hint wasn't obvious enough for me. I'd also show both screens as soon as you land on the page, as that is the unique feature of this phone and it took me quite some time before I actually found it. (If you don't scroll but just click on the links you just see 1 screen at a time. If you aren't really paying attention you don't notice that there are 2 different ones)

It drives me nuts this new fashion of braking the scrolling, it's completely uncalibrated on chrome, I scrolled down the equivalent of a freaking book to get to the end.

Even if it was perfectly calibrated, it's still wrong thing to do. Scrolling is for scrolling. As in, position. On the page. People shouldn't use it for flipping between slides or animation states for the same reasons they shouldn't use links for buttons, buttons for links, or implement fake radio buttons using checkboxes.

This would be less of a problem if browsers/HTML had something built-in to manage pagination and page states. But hey, we got WebGL and sound APIs instead. Clearly, pagination (which is implemented in pretty much every single website on the web) is less important than rendering 3d objects.

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by GalacticDomin8r » Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 2:03 AM UTC

Scriptor wrote: post #97

ryanwhitney wrote: post #25

The scroll changes the smartphone display instead of moving down the page, and more often than not lands between transitions. If you'd like to sell a phone, hire a web designer that shoots for real goals instead of trendy bullshit.

I feel like a lot of this trendy stuff comes out because it demos very well. The designer shows it off in a controlled setting, everyone's wowed and impressed and glad they hired a "good" designer, and nobody bothers to check whether it's actually useful at all. Someone should've pointed out the website is there to sell the product, not to showcase the FE guys's skills.

> I feel like a lot of this trendy stuff comes out because it demos very well.

You've expressed a thought, not an emotion. Please use "think" instead of "feel".

http://www.wildmind.org/applied/depression/distinguishing-th...

Re: Yotaphone

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Post by fiatjaf » Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 4:47 PM UTC

dsschnau wrote: post #94

Argh why can't I just have a cheap e-ink phone!

I really wanted a cheap e-ink phone with functional apps that didn't need speed screen refreshing. Really. I thought this was the phone I was waiting for, but it wasn't.