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Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#191

Post by binarycrusader » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 3:13 AM UTC

My day job and most of my time is spent writing C/C++ code, so I'm usually working in vim. But IntelliJ is really, really good.

The auto-completion is so phenomenal in IntelliJ, you'll be tempted to learn Java just to use it. Yes, that's fairly hyperbolic, but after using IntelliJ, I just can't ever go back to Eclipse or any other Java IDE.

The ability to edit programs while they were running and then see the changes nearly instantaneously after saving without restarting the program was fantastic. (Worked just as well as Eclipse's after a few tweaks.)

What I'm really looking forward to is what they do with C/C++ and possibly Go some day.

IntelliJ is worth every penny if you write Java code; don't doubt it for a moment. Download the trial and use it if you find that hard to believe.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by maccard » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 3:19 AM UTC

I'm not a java developer, but their tools are fantastic. I started using PyCharm about 2 years ago, and nothing else compares. Only complaint I have is that PyCharm's updates aren't as quick as INtelliJ's, so when you guys get the nice features, we have to wait for it in PyCharm land.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by mdaniel » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 3:34 AM UTC

maccard wrote: post #192

I'm not a java developer, but their tools are fantastic. I started using PyCharm about 2 years ago, and nothing else compares. Only complaint I have is that PyCharm's updates aren't as quick as INtelliJ's, so when you guys get the nice features, we have to wait for it in PyCharm land.

Depending on which features of PyCharm you use the most, you actually may benefit from the recent open-sourcing of PyCharm Community Edition. Now you can use (and theoretically fix bugs in) the master builds which track IJ development very closely.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#194

Post by sukaka » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:10 AM UTC

lemmsjid wrote: post #121

Having used the beta, and as a Scala developer on a large multi-module project, this release is a game-changer performance-wise. The memory footprint is a small fraction of what it once was (literally). While memory is not really a big issue for a developer these days, this is huge because previously we were forced to run at large heaps, which would cause 'fun' GC pauses while typing. The code completion is now fast…

Good to know it's improved for Scala! Playframework templates give me the most trouble while working in IntelliJ.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by bootily » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:28 AM UTC

lemmsjid wrote: post #121

Having used the beta, and as a Scala developer on a large multi-module project, this release is a game-changer performance-wise. The memory footprint is a small fraction of what it once was (literally). While memory is not really a big issue for a developer these days, this is huge because previously we were forced to run at large heaps, which would cause 'fun' GC pauses while typing. The code completion is now fast…

Intellij is a buggy, buggy slow, confusing, MS Office version of an IDE that almost no one needs. As bloated as eclipse is, eclipse actually works.

I would gladly pay Ideas price if they just made it work. They never have and likely never will.

Stop! Please! Stop building IDEs in Java. Java GUIs cannot keep up with an experienced developer and that includes Eclipse.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#196

Post by bootily » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:32 AM UTC

binarycrusader wrote: post #191

My day job and most of my time is spent writing C/C++ code, so I'm usually working in vim. But IntelliJ is really, really good. The auto-completion is so phenomenal in IntelliJ, you'll be tempted to learn Java just to use it. Yes, that's fairly hyperbolic, but after using IntelliJ, I just can't ever go back to Eclipse or any other Java IDE. The ability to edit programs while they were running and then see the changes…

You clearly have no idea what your talking about.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by akulbe » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:32 AM UTC

eropple wrote: post #116

olegstepanov wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you miss most in AppCode from your XCode experience?

In no particular order (and I just downloaded 2.5 to check stuff so I wouldn't waste your time): - Counterparts. If it's there I can't find it. (Bonus points if it can do what Counterparts can't: jump-to-definition in the right pane puts the appropriate header in the left pane.) - Xcode-style back/forward buttons. Coupled with Counterparts, this is really flexible and pleasant to use. I'm familiar with ctrl-tab switc…

@eropple I hope you get that I'm not trying to minimize or trivialize your concerns. I just wanted to point out something that impressed me. @olegstepanov the guy that just asked you for your feedback... he's the CEO of Jetbrains.

I'm really glad that my friend introduced me to IDEA and it's what I use for nearly all of my work with code.

These guys make kickass products, and the fact that they really enjoy their work comes out in the quality of their stuff, and how they treat their customers.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#198

Post by tieTYT » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:34 AM UTC

binarycrusader wrote: post #191

My day job and most of my time is spent writing C/C++ code, so I'm usually working in vim. But IntelliJ is really, really good. The auto-completion is so phenomenal in IntelliJ, you'll be tempted to learn Java just to use it. Yes, that's fairly hyperbolic, but after using IntelliJ, I just can't ever go back to Eclipse or any other Java IDE. The ability to edit programs while they were running and then see the changes…

> The ability to edit programs while they were running and then see the changes nearly instantaneously after saving without restarting the program was fantastic.

This feature is news to me. That is, unless you're talking about using it with the jrebel plugin (and intellij can't really take credit for that). If this is not what you're referring to, do you have a link where I can learn more?

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by atonse » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:37 AM UTC

nizmow wrote: post #183

dgesang wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is ReSharper still as slow as it used to be 5 years ago (VS2008)? Eclipse does a lot of "mind-reading", too.

I have to disagree with both of these guys, it was so slow in Visual Studio 2013 that I actually disabled it. Then I was forced to re-enable it when I couldn't live without the functionality.

I'm actually noticing a bit of a regression in Visual Studio 2013/RS 8. My Alt+Enter quick fix menu takes longer to just show up with any suggestions.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Post by mattchew » Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 4:43 AM UTC

waterw wrote: post #137

So I've never really understood how the products are differentiated from each other. If I bought Intellij IDEA, does that mean I can download free plugins to get the same functionality as PyCharm? Does PyCharm support Javascript? If I want to do Django and Javascript, do I need to buy IDEA?

> Does PyCharm support Javascript?

Yes, to the point where I have edited in PyCharm even when I wasn't doing anything with Python, just for the JS features.