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Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by scott_s »

xutopia wrote: post #17
desireco42 wrote: post #13

I am usually sucker for these things, but man, oh man :), polyphasic really! I thought this was busted long time ago as a myth. Steve Pavlina was trying to do it and in the end had to admit it is just a way to be constantly sleepy. Mask looks really nice, I would prefer it was a brain entrainment device of sorts. However, to end on more positive note, Kickstarter is great because they have a chance to show us their i…

Steve Pavlina stopped because he was bored and it was not giving him more time with the people he loved (which was the point of it in the first place). Source: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/

Stealing from a post I made on the same subject 932 days ago:

I've read some reports from people who are tired all the time because they haven't "adjusted" - and the punchline is they never will. I think Pavlina's and others are in denial; while the social aspect is obviously negative, it gives them a convenient excuse. If the only downside was not having a schedule that worked with the rest of society, there would be someone, somewhere who would not have done it, but would being doing it. But there isn't, because that's not how sleep, for us, works.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by gerad »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #5

WHY OH WHY is polyphasic sleep so attactive? Read about it a little bit, and realize that it is totally, TOTALLY unnatural, nearly impossible to maintain for any length of time, and possibly dangerous to your long-term well-being. Go hack something else. Leave your circadian rhythms alone. You cannot redesign them or improve them. If you are working on a submarine, then maybe polyphasic sleep is useful, because of th…

Polyphasic sleep looks pretty natural if you're the parent of a newborn.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by avitous »

This looks useful even to just monitor and (hopefully) improve normal sleep patterns. I've been using an Up band for sleep tracking, and it has some accuracy issues, but is still useful; a device monitoring brainwave patterns could be more accurate.

Might be fun to hack around with for other brainwave monitoring purposes, such as meditation/biofeedback.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by thetabyte »

I'm really interested in this project, but wish they had left polyphasic sleep entirely out of it. The sleep data they provide (REM and NREM monitoring, etc) seems fantastically useful, and the lucid dream induction is intriguing, if dubious; however, the inclusion of polyphasic sleep makes me suspicious of the scientific rigor of the project on a whole. It's making it hard to decide whether to go ahead and back - on the one hand, I sleep with a mask anyway, definitely want the sleep monitoring capabilities the device offers, but on the other, can I trust it?

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by mtrimpe »

WalterSear wrote: post #23
tynan wrote: post #16

I did polyphasic sleep for three months. It is possible and it does work, but what is overlooked is how perfect your sleep schedule needs to be. When you're hitting all of your naps perfectly, you're really not ever tired and you wake up without an alarm usually. But... if you miss one nap, life is very difficult for a good 24-48 hours. Miss another nap in that timeframe and the problem compounds. Maybe this mask wil…

>But... if you miss one nap, life is very difficult for a good 24-48 hours. Not to mention what happens when you get a cold.

What happens?

I found that I somehow kept getting colds when I was trying to get into the Uberman schedule even though it was the middle of summer so I'd be interested to know if it's somehow related.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by gojomo »

Anderkent wrote: post #14
desireco42 wrote: post #13

I am usually sucker for these things, but man, oh man :), polyphasic really! I thought this was busted long time ago as a myth. Steve Pavlina was trying to do it and in the end had to admit it is just a way to be constantly sleepy. Mask looks really nice, I would prefer it was a brain entrainment device of sorts. However, to end on more positive note, Kickstarter is great because they have a chance to show us their i…

Pavlina is not exactly a reputable source. His ex-wife and business partner is a telephone psychic, and he takes her 'job' seriously in many blog posts. They're either both cranks, or scammers. In either case you shouldn't take him seriously.

Your "cranks, or scammers" assessment raises an interesting question. Let's assume psychic powers don't exist. If someone who believes in them calls a for-pay psychic hotline, with which of the following 'telephone psychics' will their interests be best-protected?

(a) a psychic true-believer, who also cares about the caller

(b) a psychic true-believer, who simply wants to maximize their own income at the caller's expense

(c) a non-believer willing to pretend they are psychic, but who also cares about the caller's welfare

(d) a non-believer willing to pretend they are psychic, who simply wants to maximize their own income at the caller's expense

The 'psychics' of (a) and (b) are irrational/superstitious (or maybe even outright insane): that is, 'cranks'. The 'psychics' of (b) and (d) are amoral criminals: 'scammers'.

But (c) is kind of an interesting case. They're telling pleasing lies to someone, but that might be the best the caller can get. (Compare the 'white lies' often told to children, or people in psychological distress.) But the 'psychic' is still sane and empathetic. For example, they're not going to tell someone with a real health issue to skip professional treatment for just 'manifesting health'. They might give reasonable advice... under cover of 'psychic insight'. They won't view the solution to every issue as 'pay our hotline more money until you're broke'.

I have no idea about the details of Mrs. Pavlina's practice. I just think that given the existence of devoutly-believing psychic-seekers, and the existence of magical-thinking (a)- and (b)-type 'psychics', and cynically exploitative (d)-type psychics, the most compassionate response by rational and ethical people might not be just debunking/avoiding the whole enterprise. It might involve some practicing (c)-type 'psychics'... a little like harm-reducing clean needles for drug addicts.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by someacct »

thetabyte wrote: post #34

I'm really interested in this project, but wish they had left polyphasic sleep entirely out of it. The sleep data they provide (REM and NREM monitoring, etc) seems fantastically useful, and the lucid dream induction is intriguing, if dubious; however, the inclusion of polyphasic sleep makes me suspicious of the scientific rigor of the project on a whole. It's making it hard to decide whether to go ahead and back - on…

Yeah, I'd like one just to figure out how much I'm really sleeping and how much of that is deep sleep, etc.

Hardware-wise, it sounds a lot like the old Zeo Personal Sleep Manager. I was interested in getting one of those, but then the company went other and shutdown their API, bricking all their devices. I hope these guys don't make the same mistake.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by jere »

Anderkent wrote: post #14
desireco42 wrote: post #13

I am usually sucker for these things, but man, oh man :), polyphasic really! I thought this was busted long time ago as a myth. Steve Pavlina was trying to do it and in the end had to admit it is just a way to be constantly sleepy. Mask looks really nice, I would prefer it was a brain entrainment device of sorts. However, to end on more positive note, Kickstarter is great because they have a chance to show us their i…

Pavlina is not exactly a reputable source. His ex-wife and business partner is a telephone psychic, and he takes her 'job' seriously in many blog posts. They're either both cranks, or scammers. In either case you shouldn't take him seriously.

I have to agree. I used to be a huge Pavlina fan for the personal development and productivity stuff, but over the years got really turned off by all the posts about law of attraction and solipsism (though he disputed that's what he was going on about).

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by Apocryphon »

gojomo wrote: post #36
Anderkent wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pavlina is not exactly a reputable source. His ex-wife and business partner is a telephone psychic, and he takes her 'job' seriously in many blog posts. They're either both cranks, or scammers. In either case you shouldn't take him seriously.

Your "cranks, or scammers" assessment raises an interesting question. Let's assume psychic powers don't exist. If someone who believes in them calls a for-pay psychic hotline, with which of the following 'telephone psychics' will their interests be best-protected? (a) a psychic true-believer, who also cares about the caller (b) a psychic true-believer, who simply wants to maximize their own income at the caller's exp…

That's a very fascinating breakdown, and it's sort of a sad testament to American society and attitudes towards mental healthcare that case (c) might actually be a legitimate way to provide counseling to people who otherwise would not have sought it out. And perhaps it's cheaper, too.

Re: Neuroon: Sleep mask for polyphasic sleep

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Post by Anderkent »

bashinator wrote: post #24
Anderkent wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> totally, TOTALLY unnatural Source? because the studies I know usually show polyphasic sleep as the most natural, and wikipedia agrees ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_sleep ) > nearly impossible to maintain for any length of time crazy schedules like uberman, perhaps, but I know people that have been on everyman for years. > possibly dangerous to your long-term well-being So is monophasic sleep. > Leave yo…

That article is about biphasic sleep cycles, not polyphasic.

Biphasic is a form of polyphasic. And if two segments are better than one, why would you think three segments are definitely worse than one?
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