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IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

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Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#114

Since there seem to be some IntelliJ folks here, I'd like to bring up my pet peeve: please take advantage of modern, gigantic _wide_ monitors. It makes no sense for code to be in a single column on the left of the monitor while 2/3 of the right side is almost completely empty space. Instead of just allowing vertical scrolling, why not allow multiple columns and horizontal scrolling? This will result in the ability to…

If you could open the same file twice and stack them vertically, your problem would be solved and it doesn't sound so hard to implement.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#115
I'm a recent convert. Most everything I do outside of Java development (C, Python, JavaScript) is in vim, but I just can't kick the IDE habit for Java dev. And then here comes IDEA making it even harder to quit! Being that I'm working on large codebases (GeoServer/GeoTools, and our own stuff), I'm really looking forward to the performance enhancements. I'm also very happy with the recent improvements to the IdeaVIM plugin. Still not quite as snappy as real vim, but it's getting closer with each release.

Also, it looks like their download servers are getting hit pretty hard at the moment (getting 30-60KiB/sec on a 100Mbit downstream link). I'll take that as a strong vote of confidence!

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#116
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since moving to OS X fully I've become a real fan of Xcode. I'm curious to see how AppCode is when you can actually write Objective-C++ in it. I'm a fan of IDEA, but I'm a little skeptical of this (as AppCode right now isn't as nice as Xcode anyway).

What do you miss most in AppCode from your XCode experience?

In no particular order (and I just downloaded 2.5 to check stuff so I wouldn't waste your time):

- Counterparts. If it's there I can't find it. (Bonus points if it can do what Counterparts can't: jump-to-definition in the right pane puts the appropriate header in the left pane.)

- Xcode-style back/forward buttons. Coupled with Counterparts, this is really flexible and pleasant to use. I'm familiar with ctrl-tab switching in IDEA but I don't really like it as much.

- The debugger interface feels clunky. I'm used to it with Java/Scala in IDEA, but I feel like Xcode doesn't aggravate me as much. Perhaps it's just because it's more responsive in its presentation?

- Having to remember to hit "Debug" rather than just "Run" is annoying. I get why it exists, but the first time I went "wait, why are my breakpoints not firing?", the need to make that decision lost me.

- UI clutter everywhere. There's too much thrown at me, too fast. Opening AppCode's preferences pane is overwhelming even though I'm very familiar with IDEA (it's not good there either). There's too much crap thrown at me that I don't care about. I don't care about HTTP proxying. I don't care about XSLT files. I don't care about Live Templates. But they're taking up eye- and brain-space. I would strongly recommend that JetBrains figure out exactly what the 95% case actually use and find a way to progressively reveal remaining features for the 5%.

- Native widgets. Everything just feels wrong and it's competing against a really wonderful native UI and experience, to its detriment. I really like IDEA because it's head and shoulders above Eclipse and NetBeans, but going from native Cocoa widgets to AppCode is very unpleasant. I strongly feel that the native widgets in Xcode make it feel more responsive, with animations and transitions that lend a feeling of "snappiness"; I don't know if it actually is faster than AppCode, but it feels it.

- In this vein, making me go from the eye-shock that is AppCode to Xcode to use IB is probably not helping matters from a marketing perspective. Old-hotness/new-busted is reminding me of the pluses of Xcode, which probably isn't what JetBrains wants me to be thinking about.

There are some things that I really enjoy in it - I like that it Just Works with my Xcode projects, I love that, when I use liblogog, the file/line paths that are emitted by logging statements become hyperlinks in the output window - but overall it's like using Linux on the desktop: there are a thousand little frustrations that make it less pleasant and pleasurable to use.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#117
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since moving to OS X fully I've become a real fan of Xcode. I'm curious to see how AppCode is when you can actually write Objective-C++ in it. I'm a fan of IDEA, but I'm a little skeptical of this (as AppCode right now isn't as nice as Xcode anyway).

Xcode makes me cry everytime i'm forced to use it (editing storyboards). AppCode has such nice navigation and completion. It all makes me wonder how on earth anyone could say they enjoy xcode.

I don't find AppCode's navigation superior to Xcode's for Objective-C and--at least the last time I tried the C++ extensions to AppCode--completion wasn't any better for C++ than Xcode's (which I figure is probably a clang limitation).

I very much like IDEA for Java or Scala, but I find myself frustrated when I use AppCode.

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#118
post #31

Still no support for projects on UNC paths, so not terribly useful for those forced to use folder remapping in Windows. I'd love to switch our students away from Eclipse, but without UNC support it can't happen.

can't you map UNC paths to virtual local mount points? like \\server\blah\foo to C:\projects\foo

Re: IntelliJ IDEA 13 is Released

#119
post #90
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like this, "the mind-reader IDE"

Yeah I don't think I could do .NET development anymore without ReSharper. Makes me wonder how much time I wasted by using Eclipse in my Java days instead of just forking over the cash for IDEA.

Is ReSharper still as slow as it used to be 5 years ago (VS2008)?

Eclipse does a lot of "mind-reading", too.

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