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F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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But do they have to limit fuel. Does the advantage of the turbo outweigh more pitstops? I'm afraid races might get boring when drivers will have to conserve their fuel or just lose the race.

Life... I mean the need for speed will find a way.

I'm quite excited by this, can't wait to see what innovations will come out of the new restrictions!

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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> But do they have to limit fuel. Does the advantage of the turbo outweigh more pitstops? Refueling is not allowed in Formula 1, it has only been allowed during two brief stints in the early 1980s and late 1990s. It was/is silly dangerous and there were a few quite nasty pitstop fire incidents. One goal of the new regulations with the turbo, the regenerative braking and the fuel limit is to put emphasis on the effici…

One search youtube for 'f1 fuel fire' for some examples of how it can be dangerous but this is a good example of what you're talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdyuN_cUqjA I don't think F1 had this problem but with some races the fuel is made with methanol and the flames can be impossible to see: http://boingboing.net/2010/11/03/its-hard-to-fight-a.html

That video of Jos Verstappen's pitstop fire is quite disturbing. That fire was partially caused by the fueling rig that had been tampered by removing a filter to allow faster refueling.

Here's another disturbing pitstop fire of Heikki Kovalainen leaving the pit stall with the fueling hose still attached and the fuel gets sprayed on his compatriot Kimi Räikkönen, who went on to finish the race in 5th spot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvgjhfQLTNk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzg_9UXo9s8

Trying to refuel 50 liters (15 gallons) or more in less than 10 seconds is bound to be dangerous.

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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But do they have to limit fuel. Does the advantage of the turbo outweigh more pitstops? I'm afraid races might get boring when drivers will have to conserve their fuel or just lose the race.

Cars going round in circles? I already find that fairly boring.

Formula 1 is street circuits.

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But do they have to limit fuel. Does the advantage of the turbo outweigh more pitstops? Refueling is not allowed in Formula 1, it has only been allowed during two brief stints in the early 1980s and late 1990s. It was/is silly dangerous and there were a few quite nasty pitstop fire incidents. One goal of the new regulations with the turbo, the regenerative braking and the fuel limit is to put emphasis on the effici…

> Refueling is not allowed in Formula 1, it has only been allowed during two brief stints in the early 1980s and late 1990s. Brief? It was allowed from 1994 to 2009, and the official reason for removing it in 2010 was team expenses (they had to move expensive speed-refueling machinery around the world, and highly trained pit staff to match)

Brief in the sense that for most of the history of F1, refueling has not been allowed.

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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This video is an interesting comparison of just how fast F1 cars are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cNqaPSHv0 IIRC some of those GT cars that look like snails compared to F1 cars are "anything goes". However, here is a truly anything goes car (that has broken the speed barrier on land): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKQ-xj5C2m8 So yeah, an anything goes car will go much faster than an F1 car. But it's going to su…

The real question is how fast an "anything goes" F1 car would go around a racetrack. Especially if you remove the human driver, or make the car remote-controlled.

> Especially if you remove the human driver, or make the car remote-controlled.

Now that's something I'd tune in for! A couple of high budget vehicles and sophisticated driver AIs slugging it out on a racetrack, that would definitely be interesting.

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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The video mentions that the aerodynamics of the car generates so much down-force that it could ride upside-down on the ceiling. Wow.

I heard that several types of race cars could stay upside down at 100km/h. In 2000 F1 was reaching 300km/h on most circuits, less now. I guess that means it could be upside down on a higher gravity planet.

Re: F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained

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The video mentions that the aerodynamics of the car generates so much down-force that it could ride upside-down on the ceiling. Wow.

Let's hope that they'll introduce that for next year then.

(I might be able to watch it for longer than three minutes then)

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Adrian Newey (most successful F1 designer in the history of the sport) designed the Red Bull X2010 for the game Gran Turismo based on the concept of building the fastest car possible in an 'anything goes' scenario: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_X2010 The limit becomes G-forces that a driver can bear, especially over a race distance. They limited it to 6G. For an engine they interestingly picked a 3L V6, where…

Would it get any faster if they didn't need a driver?

Likely, as the monocoque (safety cell) has to be fairly tall. It's said above that the limit was 6G, which F1 nearly matches [1] (that GP wasn't for the most powerful engines in ~2000). With no space for driver there could be more aero meaning it could go round a corner like that faster, causing more sideways G.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Grand_Prix

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