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Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by bhauer »

selmnoo wrote: post #95
bhauer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I know. My wife is using the 39" and it's fine for her computer usage. She doesn't play video games on her computer. "Inadequate" for gaming, yes. Inadequate for computing? Hardly. But this is why I said that if Seiki dropped an HDMI 2 version of the same display, things get interesting.

> "Inadequate" for gaming, yes. Inadequate for computing? Hardly. How about for watching movies? High framerates would obviously seem very important for gaming, but it's not clear how important they are to movies/shows. Your thoughts?

Admittedly, we've not yet watched a film on the Seiki. We have fired up a few Youtube videos at full-screen and aside from looking comical (due to the large lossy compression artifacts present even in Youtube's highest quality videos), the video seems as smooth as Youtube ever does, at least to my eye.

I suspect for video from a higher-quality source, my opinion would not be so forgiving.

But put briefly, for consuming crummy web content, I have no complaints.

Don't get me wrong. I haven't yet bought one for myself principally because I am waiting for Seiki (or someone) to offer me a similarly priced 4K monitor with HDMI 2 (60Hz). If I got the current model today and a v2 of the Seiki arrived next month with HDMI 2, I would be sad. The 30Hz limitation is the most significant disadvantage of this display. So I wait.

But if you don't want to wait, the 30Hz limitation is tolerable. At More of my crazy thoughts: http://tiamat.tsotech.com/seiki-4k

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by quaint- »

veritas20 wrote: post #67

Your eyes can't tell the difference b/t 1080p and 4k on a 28" screen

When you say "your", you mean "my", don't you? Also, you seem confused by these TV-related terms and only think of videos and games here; you'd have to be half-way blind not to see the difference between 75 and 150 PPI density with typical font sizes (computer fonts are usually a tad bigger than what's necessary just because of the lousy displays we have).

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by salient »

crazygringo wrote: post #42

Does anyone know, are there any Macs that can drive this in Retina mode? Does OSX on Mac desktops support retina mode for arbitrary monitors, or does OSX tie Retina mode exclusively to Macbook Pro Retina screens?

Running it well? No, with the one exception of the Mac Pro, which can supports 3 such monitors at once, but it has a GPU vastly more powerful than any Intel GPU inside the Macbooks.

Iris Pro (5200+) is just now the starting point for running a 2.5k resolution (half of 4k) well enough. Anything less still struggles with 2.5k resolutions on a "full OS" like Mac OS/Windows/Linux. So if you want an Intel GPU running it, or anything at that level, you'll need to wait for a version that has 2x the performance of 5200, and then get a 4k monitor.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by aheilbut »

bhauer wrote: post #9

Awesome. I say this is a sign that the incumbent manufacturers are finally adapting to the heat brought on by Korean and Chinese newcomers. "Industry's most affordable Ultra HD monitor" is semantics. The Seiki 39" is still substantially cheaper, now at less than $500 on Amazon. Technically, that is a television, so I suppose "monitor" is a clever use of words by Dell. If Seiki drops an HDMI 2 version of their monitor…

So a quad 24 Ultra HD setup would be just right..

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Post by Already__Taken »

bhauer wrote: post #9

Awesome. I say this is a sign that the incumbent manufacturers are finally adapting to the heat brought on by Korean and Chinese newcomers. "Industry's most affordable Ultra HD monitor" is semantics. The Seiki 39" is still substantially cheaper, now at less than $500 on Amazon. Technically, that is a television, so I suppose "monitor" is a clever use of words by Dell. If Seiki drops an HDMI 2 version of their monitor…

It probably has more to do with being fined for price fixing LCD panels and the knock on effects from that.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by jfb »

Pxtl wrote: post #66

Wonder how well various OSes will handle resolution jumps. The embarassing failure to scale GUI objects was acceptable in the technically-limited '90s, but in 2013 it seems ridiculous to have everything pixel-sized.

The problem isn't with the OSes -- it's the legacy software. There's just too much of it written against fixed DPI targets. Apple's pixel doubling (HiDPI) is a hack to get some of the benefit of high density screens without going to full resolution independence. It works really well, in my experience.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by jfb »

selmnoo wrote: post #95
bhauer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I know. My wife is using the 39" and it's fine for her computer usage. She doesn't play video games on her computer. "Inadequate" for gaming, yes. Inadequate for computing? Hardly. But this is why I said that if Seiki dropped an HDMI 2 version of the same display, things get interesting.

> "Inadequate" for gaming, yes. Inadequate for computing? Hardly. How about for watching movies? High framerates would obviously seem very important for gaming, but it's not clear how important they are to movies/shows. Your thoughts?

I wouldn't want to watch a movie at 30hz, or at 4k.

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by bhauer »

jfb wrote: post #98
bhauer wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, of course. Current interfaces are not well suited to high-DPI large form-factor displays. But if we wait for interfaces to happen first, I worry the wait will be prolonged. Plus, if you gave me a 65" 400 DPI screen today, I would drop everything and immediately put it to use. I would set it up on a drafting-style standing desk and would enjoy extremely high-clarity text throughout my desktop user inter…

I'd drop everything for a 65" 400ppi display, of course, but I'd take a 24" 400ppi over a 65" 200ppi without even thinking about it.

I'll take both, several of each!

Re: Dell introduces 28" 4K Ultra HD Monitor for under $1K, shipping early 2014

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Post by potatolicious »

jfb wrote: post #108
selmnoo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Inadequate" for gaming, yes. Inadequate for computing? Hardly. How about for watching movies? High framerates would obviously seem very important for gaming, but it's not clear how important they are to movies/shows. Your thoughts?

I wouldn't want to watch a movie at 30hz, or at 4k.

Aren't all movies at 30Hz or 24Hz? I don't think there are any mainstream releases at a higher FPS...
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