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Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by RivieraKid »

friendly_chap wrote: post #3

We have these kind of riots in Hungary (pretty close to Ukraine) as well. They are not really revolutions, but they are a good indicator that the people are extremely fed up with current government policies, which may lead to a revolution. Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. EDIT: Just to give you bit of context on corruption... in the UK where I curren…

I was under the impression that Viktor Orban and his government - while being critisized from abroad - is actually quite popular?

We have a similar problem with corruption and people being fed up here in the Czech Republic. Traditional parties suffered a big defeat in the last parlimentary elections and 3 new parties got into the parliament, so I'm carefully optimistic.

Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by oddx »

aquadrop wrote: post #5
rodrigocoelho wrote: post #2

Someone who speaks the language or is there could please give us some context?

There's crowd of people who wants to enter president's administration building and 'berkut' police protects the building. Some fights were going on. I don't actually understand what exactly do those people want.

They think that best way to democracy is topple legitimately elected government.

Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by boomlinde »

twoodfin wrote: post #9
friendly_chap wrote: post #3

We have these kind of riots in Hungary (pretty close to Ukraine) as well. They are not really revolutions, but they are a good indicator that the people are extremely fed up with current government policies, which may lead to a revolution. Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. EDIT: Just to give you bit of context on corruption... in the UK where I curren…

Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. In democracies, the people typically do this by voting for someone else. Why isn't that an option in Hungary?

To solve a problem by democratic means, you need a functioning democracy. I'd like to know by what definition a functioning democracy can possibly include a corrupt ruling class.

Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by sdpope »

Nux wrote: post #24

I'm hopeful Eastern Europe will regrow the spine half a century of so called communism destroyed.

I'm not a Soviet apologist, but the state of eastern europe has roots that predate the 20th century. Bear in mind that even before communism, much of it had been part of Tsarist Russia in the 19th century or earlier.

It's inaccurate to think of pre-soviet europe as composed of western european style states.

Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by Nux »

sdpope wrote: post #44
Nux wrote: post #24

I'm hopeful Eastern Europe will regrow the spine half a century of so called communism destroyed.

I'm not a Soviet apologist, but the state of eastern europe has roots that predate the 20th century. Bear in mind that even before communism, much of it had been part of Tsarist Russia in the 19th century or earlier. It's inaccurate to think of pre-soviet europe as composed of western european style states.

I'm not implying pre-soviet era Eastern Europe had a western style. That would not have been possible, not locked between the west and a hard place. Looks like Ukraine is still there.

Geopolitically and historically this (I'm Romanian) has been one shitty place with a lot of influences: Tsarist Russia, Soviet Union, Ottoman Empire, the Huns, the Mongols, the Romans etc. You could not have developed a western style state in this environment.

I'm not implying western Europe had it easier, but just different and it benefited them by the looks of things.

However, from history lessons, at least in my own country things were starting to pick up and it's my belief the situation would've been much better without WWII and especially without the communists.

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Post by lcedp »

ghostdiver wrote: post #20

This country is pretty much fucked up, criminal as a president, lack of resources, poor people and also European Union bureaucrats are not really interested in Ukraine in its current state. Half of citizines do not speak ukraininan language, they identify themselves as Russians. The other part is only waiting for a moment to gtfo there.

> lack of resources

which kind of resources?

> Half of citizines do not speak ukraininan language, they identify themselves as Russians.

2/3 declared Ukrainian an their native, moreover there is distinct movement of Russian(!)-speaking anti-Russia(!) pro-Ukraine people. Source: living in Russian speaking Ukrainian city

>The other part is only waiting for a moment to gtfo there.

meh

Re: Protests in Ukraine

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Post by epsylon »

twoodfin wrote: post #9
friendly_chap wrote: post #3

We have these kind of riots in Hungary (pretty close to Ukraine) as well. They are not really revolutions, but they are a good indicator that the people are extremely fed up with current government policies, which may lead to a revolution. Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. EDIT: Just to give you bit of context on corruption... in the UK where I curren…

Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. In democracies, the people typically do this by voting for someone else. Why isn't that an option in Hungary?

There are no democracies, only oligarchies.
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