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Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by yetanotherphd »

acdha wrote: post #95
kmeluna wrote: post #77

From the blog post: > If Ben can’t learn, we’ll fire him. Reforming the use of English pronouns has nothing to do with the employee's professional activities. No one should be threatened for either supporting or not supporting a political cause or brand of activism. There is no consensus in society about how pronouns should be used or their cultural significance [1]. No one should have their livelihood threatened for…

> No one should be threatened for either supporting or not supporting a political cause or brand of activism. You should read before commenting: the problem wasn't his choice of wording but rather how he turned a trivial change into an argument and reverted another committer's action complete with a threat. If he didn't want to get involved, simply ignoring it was by far the easiest course of action. Instead, he twic…

You should read before commenting. Ben never threatened anyone. Stop spreading this falsehood.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by victorhooi »

dmpk2k wrote: post #10
rpedela wrote: post #6

I think the article is missing a lot of context. What was the offending issue?

At a guess: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... and https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... Those two may not seem like much (at least I don't think so), but this kind of passive-aggressive behaviour isn't atypical for bnoordhuis. Eventually it'll cause a bad backlash. Like this. bnoordhuis is an example of a problem that many popular OSS projects will face in their…

I just see a guy following policy, and then reverting the patch when that policy was broken.

Also, I don't know if it's very smart calling somebody a jerk whom you've never met, or had any significant dealings with.

It's very easy to do it from the comfort of your couch at home, but I suspect it'd be a different story if they were right in front of you.

In fact, it's basically bullying.

This is the sort of thing you get from reading tabloids or gossip mags - "OMG, Kim Kardashian is like, such a , because I read that, like, said to . She is like, a total ! I mean, if I were her, I'd ".

Seriously, I would have thought that HN as a community is better than that.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by dmpk2k »

victorhooi wrote: post #112
dmpk2k wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a guess: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538... and https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/804d40ee14dc0f82c482d... Those two may not seem like much (at least I don't think so), but this kind of passive-aggressive behaviour isn't atypical for bnoordhuis. Eventually it'll cause a bad backlash. Like this. bnoordhuis is an example of a problem that many popular OSS projects will face in their…

I just see a guy following policy, and then reverting the patch when that policy was broken. Also, I don't know if it's very smart calling somebody a jerk whom you've never met, or had any significant dealings with. It's very easy to do it from the comfort of your couch at home, but I suspect it'd be a different story if they were right in front of you. In fact, it's basically bullying. This is the sort of thing you…

You're making a lot of assumptions there.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by dmourati »

richardfontana wrote: post #94
dmourati wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly. There are two Isaacs. Isaac Roth at StrongLoop, author of the OP, he didn't come into the story until today. Isaac Schlueter works for Joyent, and originally committed the requested change.

Roth is actually Issac, not Isaac.

Duly noted. Thanks.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by namuol »

As poorly as Joyent may have responded, and as badly they might have misunderstood this entire situation, I am convinced that everyone involved here (on both sides) had nothing but good intentions, and that until we acknowledge these things and make up, this is going to become needlessly harmful to the community at large.

Pause, reflect, forgive... nobody here is a monster.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by binocarlos »

namuol wrote: post #117

As poorly as Joyent may have responded, and as badly they might have misunderstood this entire situation, I am convinced that everyone involved here (on both sides) had nothing but good intentions, and that until we acknowledge these things and make up, this is going to become needlessly harmful to the community at large. Pause, reflect, forgive... nobody here is a monster.

I agree - a classic case of hyper media attention boiling over into other, existing politics. God only knows what would have happened if he had rejected a commit involving the word 'religion'

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by waterlion »

namuol wrote: post #117

As poorly as Joyent may have responded, and as badly they might have misunderstood this entire situation, I am convinced that everyone involved here (on both sides) had nothing but good intentions, and that until we acknowledge these things and make up, this is going to become needlessly harmful to the community at large. Pause, reflect, forgive... nobody here is a monster.

I would dearly love to agree (see my other comments if you don't believe me).

But Bryan Cantrill's, and Joyent's behaviour seems very cynical, manipulative, and childish. He used deliberately inflammatory language, and would have, at the very least, been aware of the fact that it might not be so black and white. He will have known that he started a witch-hunt and did nothing, as far as I can tell, to try and quell it.

No-one is a monster, but some people are either playing games or have spectacularly poor judgment. Not the kind of company you want to work with either way.

Joyent has severely blotted its copy-book. For that reason if I'm ever in a position to make purchasing decisions I will exclude Joyent.

Re: Collaboration not Derision in the Node Community

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Post by waterlion »

acdha wrote: post #96
austinz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ben was called a bigot and his rejection of the pull request was ascribed to the "principle that pronouns should in fact be gendered" (from the Joyent blog). The problem is, all of this is being extrapolated from his statement "sorry, not interested in trivial changes like that", which could be seen as a flippant dismissal of gender issues in the tech industry - or it could be simply a curt response acknowledging sta…

Your spin attempt ignored the part where he reverted someone else's commit with a threatening message. Nobody would ge talking about it if he had simply ignored it or asked Isaac about it first.

Please provide evidence for 'threatening message'.
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