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Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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Article is behind a paywall.

God forbid people get paid for their work

I wouldn't care if it wasn't an article posted on HN.

IMO when someone posts an article that's behind a paywall, he should at least put something like [paywall] in the title.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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The city is too old.

Just new enough that you can usually safely dig without too many delays, though. A problem with tunnel construction in very old cities, in places like Italy and Greece, is that you have a high probability of running into an interesting archaeological site, and then you have to pause construction and decide what to do about it. E.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21743758

That has happened with Crossrail actually... for example, the Liverpool Street station digging uncovered countless artefacts from Bedlam, aka Bethlehem Mental Hospital. Human remains and other things that can't just be tunnelled through = delays...

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a little like looking at a baby who was born a year ago and calling it old because of another that was born earlier today.

London is a Roman town, much older than England (edit: and that's just name, as the poster below mentions the city has existed much longer). the queen still has to ask permission to enter the City (now called the square mile). The underground (aka the Tube) is new, but the city itself is very, very old.

Sorry, I wasn't commenting on the age of London, just the method of defining any country/city as old compared to a decades-old country.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

God forbid people get paid for their work

I wouldn't care if it wasn't an article posted on HN. IMO when someone posts an article that's behind a paywall, he should at least put something like [paywall] in the title.

I believe The Economist gives you 3 articles for free per week, so it's not paywalled for everyone.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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The city is too old.

Just new enough that you can usually safely dig without too many delays, though. A problem with tunnel construction in very old cities, in places like Italy and Greece, is that you have a high probability of running into an interesting archaeological site, and then you have to pause construction and decide what to do about it. E.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21743758

Not so new as you may have thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Londinium

It's just way bigger than its ancient self, so you are less likely to find archeological sites.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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The city is too old.

I don't know about 'too old', but it is old. It states in the article that..." the London Underground, opened in the city 150 years ago.: The county I am living in currently, will be celebrating only its 42 birthday tomorrow...think about it.

And I am very thankful that the undergrounds in the cities where I spent most of my time were built much later: Tunnelling techniques evolved quickly during the late 18th and early 19th century, allowing for much more ‘comfortable’ tunnel diameters – there is a reason the London Underground is called the tube, it’s difficult to stand in most of its trains.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a little like looking at a baby who was born a year ago and calling it old because of another that was born earlier today.

London is a Roman town, much older than England (edit: and that's just name, as the poster below mentions the city has existed much longer). the queen still has to ask permission to enter the City (now called the square mile). The underground (aka the Tube) is new, but the city itself is very, very old.

London is actually pre-roman, maybe pre-celtic, tbh.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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There are lots of secret MOD tunnels as well. Some of them run out of London across the country with rail tracks to nuclear bunkers that were to be used when nuclear war broke out. To put the scale of it in perspective, one if the tunnels runs to a bunker in Wales south of Aberystwyth.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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The city is too old.

Just new enough that you can usually safely dig without too many delays, though. A problem with tunnel construction in very old cities, in places like Italy and Greece, is that you have a high probability of running into an interesting archaeological site, and then you have to pause construction and decide what to do about it. E.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21743758

> in very old cities ... running into an interesting archaeological site

Why are archaeological sites are so far underground? Are ancient cities actually getting higher in altitude as old ruins get covered up?

Why Pompeii was buried is clear. I am more curious about continuously occupied cities like Rome. How did the ruins get underground there?

The best answer I could find was this:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/813/how-come-archae...

It says that abandoned ancient cities have in fact risen in altitude over the centuries becoming "mounds". But it also says that Rome's famous ruins are at surface level, but doesn't explain ruins that have been found deep underground. So I'm left wondering if Rome and cities like it have gotten a lot higher or not.

Re: Why are there so many tunnels under London?

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There are lots of secret MOD tunnels as well. Some of them run out of London across the country with rail tracks to nuclear bunkers that were to be used when nuclear war broke out. To put the scale of it in perspective, one if the tunnels runs to a bunker in Wales south of Aberystwyth.

Do you have a source for that last example? Seems like it would be a bit difficult to keep a tunnel of that scale secret.
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