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Americans don't trust each other anymore

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Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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And who could blame them. As an outsider who didn't grow up in the U.S. but has spent the past year living here, people are generally amiable and friendly but will take advantage of you for a mile if you give an inch. Rabid consumerism, shows of status, workaholism and an overwhelming feeling of fuck you got mine seems to pervade the collective psyche because you can't really lean on others (save for a few nonconform…

> people are generally amiable and friendly but will take advantage of you for a mile if you give an inch.

How does that not describe...say Italy?

> Rabid consumerism, shows of status, workaholism and an overwhelming feeling of fuck you got mine

I've never lived in a country where I felt like this wasn't true, even Switzerland.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably makes it worse. If you tell people the currency doesn't leave a paper trail then they'll worry about people scamming them or screwing them over in some way, shape, or form.

No paper trail? But that's what the Bitcoin mechanism is -- a way of publicly recording all transactions!

I've never understood the whole "Bitcoin transactions are anonymous" theory. If anything, the Bitcoin model promotes a sort of hyper-transparency. The anonymity today lies in the fact that no one knows what wallet is linked to what person/business. If it becomes a widely-accepted currency among retailers, it would eventually become trivial to look at any given wallet and see that $x was spent at Amazon on this day, $x was spent on groceries, so-and-so filled up their gas tank at this particular station, etc. You can shuffle coins between wallets to obscure your tracks somewhat, but you're still broadcasting every transaction you make to the world.

I think this is horrible for the average person, but would be a great thing to implement for transactions where you would want some form of accountability, like political donations, charities, investments, taxes, etc. If I give my money to some organization, I can use the block chain to see that they're using the money they receive for exactly the purposes I expect them to be using it for.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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There has been over a decade of propaganda telling people not to trust each other... all post-9/11 messaging intended to create insecurity in the population.

WW2 had a ton of propaganda about distrusting people, yet according to this article that was a very trusting time.

WWII propaganda was about Americans coming together to kick Japan and Germany's ass. Unless you were Japanese or German, most of the propaganda and the general sentiment around the war effort was about all Americans joining forces to win the war. There's even a part in one of Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" propaganda films calling on Americans of all ethnicities to set aside their differences and work together to win the war.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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The stuff we are going through right now might seem scary, but McCarthyism was not exactly the golden age of trust. It was not so long ago that "mainstream" society did not trust blacks, working women, the japanese, or jews. We (royal "we" here, emphasis on the royalty) still don't seem to trust gays, atheists, or many other groups. Mistrust is what keeps humanity sharp, but it is also what has been holding us since…

Mistrust or suspicion of different-looking people and/or foreigners is most likely an evolutionary survival instinct: trust the tribe, fear invaders.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, collective systems can only last so long before they become rapacious. :)

Individuals can only last so long before they join collectives.

Collectives can only divide so long before they become indivisibles.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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I'll note for other readers of Hacker News who don't know (and thus don't trust) the domain of this submitted article that it is actually a syndicated news story from the Associated Press, and I would have to say that I think the article is well reported. (In other words, I trust the statistics behind the article, which come from the federal government's National Social Survey.) The article includes some dire warning…

I trust the reports, and I trust the data, but the trend has been pretty obvious, I'd wager, and predictable for some time now.

People in the suburbs increasingly migrate to cul-de-sac communities, which isolate them from the rest of the world, to make them feel safer, depriving their children of the much-needed contact with a diverse population that builds trust.

Beyond that, the news is more and more pervasive, and more and more sensationalist than it's ever been. Every tragedy is made public, and the more grave and more egregious, the more media coverage it gets. People grow up believing that child abductions are the norm, and even likely, when the reality is that stranger abductions are less likely than they've ever been -- but the Amber Alert system (at least in the DC area here) broadcasts on highways, making it impossible to believe that a kid isn't abducted every two seconds.

Humans are built to be paranoid. Historically, the person who heard a strange noise outside their shelter and didn't react was mauled by a bear, or lion, or what have you, while the more alert human that took to defensive measures was more likely to survive. Having established our positions as apex predators, in cities this is far less likely to be needed, but our brains still seek danger patterns, cling to them, and those instincts aren't able to be quashed by rationality or statistics. We see something like the Newtown shooting and instinctively feel that all our children are in immediate danger, despite its actual unlikeliness. The media catches another school shooting and reinforces it even more in our brains that there is a very real danger, and breeds distrust and paranoia, triggering an instinct to be even more isolationist, and more paranoid, breeding more and more distrust, which further fuels the cycle for the next news article we see reinforcing our beliefs.

This isn't meant to blame the news, or humans, or any particular person at all, but the idea is that we should all at least attempt to be more data-driven, more pragmatic, and to try and find data that doesn't agree with our assumptions. It's harder than it sounds. In most humans, the brain simply rejects data that doesn't agree with its pre-formed hypotheses, but scientists are better equipped here than the average human, as we revel in data, enjoy being proven wrong, and strive towards better results, not just a reinforcement of the bad data we already believe.

Re: Americans don't trust each other anymore

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Americans also live in a much more diverse and accepting society than they did 40 years ago. Let's give it some time, hmmm? Articles like this make me peevish. I really dislike articles that glorify the 1950s-1990s, in anyway, without acknowledging what a strange time it was. Post-war America deserves far more criticism than it ever receives; I often think this is because boomers have a hard time criticizing the era…

Yes, it seems weirdly PC to leave the changing demographic situation out of the picture.

The Extraordinary 30-Year Growth of the U.S. Hispanic Population http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/08/extra...

US ethnic minorities make up 49.9 per cent of under-fives http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1...

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