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Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by hablahaha »

jkldotio wrote: post #7

Good, Google is beginning to really frustrate me. Why can't I cut and paste from the description box on a Youtube video? Serving up a totally broken Google images page to Firefox for Android may be Firefox's fault but they should test with other browsers. It has a totally broken permissions model, notably for location access which after struggling with its nagging for a year I just gave up and now Facebook et al are…

Oh man the Samsung version is the epitome of a train wreck. At some point, without my knowledge, NFL Mobile got installed on my phone and now every time I try to open a link, it completely ignores my preferences and asks me what program to open it with, one of which is NFL Mobile. It's just so nonsensical it's laughable. Nonstock Android is worse than Windows vendor bloatware.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by fidotron »

hablahaha wrote: post #21
jkldotio wrote: post #7

Good, Google is beginning to really frustrate me. Why can't I cut and paste from the description box on a Youtube video? Serving up a totally broken Google images page to Firefox for Android may be Firefox's fault but they should test with other browsers. It has a totally broken permissions model, notably for location access which after struggling with its nagging for a year I just gave up and now Facebook et al are…

Oh man the Samsung version is the epitome of a train wreck. At some point, without my knowledge, NFL Mobile got installed on my phone and now every time I try to open a link, it completely ignores my preferences and asks me what program to open it with, one of which is NFL Mobile. It's just so nonsensical it's laughable. Nonstock Android is worse than Windows vendor bloatware.

That's quite likely to be your carrier, not that Samsung are beyond reproach (TouchWiz as a selling point?), but a lot of the bundled apps you should blame your carrier for.

Nokia's reputation of old in Europe was based on the fact for a long time they were the only manufacturer to tell operators to [guess] themselves and sell relatively clean devices to end users. In the US they never did this, with the result that they never really got traction in that market. With MMS this started to change, to the point one device whenever you selected send message it actually went to the MMS option in the menu, and you'd have to scroll to text message, because the operators had asked to encourage MMS usage as they charged loads for it.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by frozenport »

gmuslera wrote: post #9
rwmj wrote: post #2

He doesn't address the obvious question: Why? Why for the end user? Why for Jolla?

People reflashing devices is not "all users", and that leaves open a few possibilities. For users, a far better user interface (still prefer the user interface of the N9 over android one), a new app ecosystem (work most android apps, plus jolla native/meego/mer ones, maybe will be a compatibility layer to run ubuntu touch/tizen ones, and as it is based on qt/qml, probably will be easy to port BB10 ones too. And of co…

Installing Android on old Windows mobile phones rarely counts in market share as most market share data comes ftom phone purchases . The obvious success is the low cost and OEM and carrier support despite iOSs better appstore. When I went to Android in 2010 it was over 300$ cheaper because I didn't need to pay the AT&T iphone'fine' and got unlimited data from another carrier.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by Zigurd »

I think Jolla has the best chance among the new entrants in mobile OSs, but I think this is a fairly minor issue. You can run Ubuntu touch on many Android devices, too. It's more important for Ubuntu because they don't have their own handset or an OEM launch partner.

I would rather have a Jolla handset.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by Zigurd »

pinaceae wrote: post #18

Android is so widespread due its nature as the QNX of the mobile world. A manufacturer gets it for free and then can add shit on to it. The vast majority of users chose a cheap smartphone, not Android explicitly. Samsung and others do not even mention Android anymore, that for specsheets like the processor being used. China has this large number of Android devices which are non-Google, no Play Store, no Google Now, n…

iOS compatibility is not impossible, but it is much harder, and would require a budget, shooting from the hip, 5X more and 2X the time to arrive at something end-users would find usable. You would have to do something like OpenStep, except with iOS APIs.

With Android you can use the AOSP bits.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by Zigurd »

Brakenshire wrote: post #13

Very interesting section on China: > ”There is no such culture in these parts of the world [Finland], but there are people that are installing new operating systems on their devices. In China it is mainstream. About half of the smartphone buyers are upgrading their older or cheaper devices with a better version of Android.” > “For us it is a possibility to distribute our operating system especially in China. There ar…

China is getting richer but there are so many people and so many with what is still a very modest income compared to the price of a smartphone I'm not surprised that aftermarket ROMs area big thing, even mainstream. I'd bet that lots of shops will do such an upgrade for you for a small price, so widespread expertise in rooting a phone is not required.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by sbt »

hablahaha wrote: post #21
jkldotio wrote: post #7

Good, Google is beginning to really frustrate me. Why can't I cut and paste from the description box on a Youtube video? Serving up a totally broken Google images page to Firefox for Android may be Firefox's fault but they should test with other browsers. It has a totally broken permissions model, notably for location access which after struggling with its nagging for a year I just gave up and now Facebook et al are…

Oh man the Samsung version is the epitome of a train wreck. At some point, without my knowledge, NFL Mobile got installed on my phone and now every time I try to open a link, it completely ignores my preferences and asks me what program to open it with, one of which is NFL Mobile. It's just so nonsensical it's laughable. Nonstock Android is worse than Windows vendor bloatware.

This. I regret buying a Samsung S4 because it is loaded with so much crap. First, Google preloads their crap onto it, then Samsung preloads their crap ontop of that. THEN, AT&T decides that it should also provide you with messaging apps etc, so it preloads it crap ontop of that too.

I am re-asked every god damn day if I want to connect the Samsung whatever the fuck (tm) to Facebook, and I refuse, EVERY DAY. I have no words.

The marketers/business guys won, and the result is an utter trainwreck.

The sad thing is that even though the S4 is super powerful, basic tasks like opening up the contacts list or recent messages, still load sluggish!

Not sure if I like Jolla, but I just need to dump this Android bloatware fast.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by Paul_O_Meany_Jr »

sbt wrote: post #27
hablahaha wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man the Samsung version is the epitome of a train wreck. At some point, without my knowledge, NFL Mobile got installed on my phone and now every time I try to open a link, it completely ignores my preferences and asks me what program to open it with, one of which is NFL Mobile. It's just so nonsensical it's laughable. Nonstock Android is worse than Windows vendor bloatware.

This. I regret buying a Samsung S4 because it is loaded with so much crap. First, Google preloads their crap onto it, then Samsung preloads their crap ontop of that. THEN, AT&T decides that it should also provide you with messaging apps etc, so it preloads it crap ontop of that too. I am re-asked every god damn day if I want to connect the Samsung whatever the fuck (tm) to Facebook, and I refuse, EVERY DAY. I have no…

Installing a custom rom like Cyanogenmod or AOKP would likely solve a lot of your problems. Both are available for your device and require little more work than establishing root, installing safe strap (or another recovery depending on whether your bootloader is locked or not), and then installing the rom. You'll still need to download and install the Google Apps package if you want access to the app store, but it cuts down on a lot of the bloat and adds a lot of useful features.

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by rzr »

peterdelahaye wrote: post #17

Maemo, Moblin, LiMo, Bada, MeeGo, mer, Tizen, Tizen NG, Nemo Mobile, Sailfish OS... This is tragic. All this effort gone into endless, pointless rebranding and new website designs instead of new code.

What's tizen-ng ? note android did not design it's own kernel they just rebranded it :)

Re: Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device into a Sailfish device

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Post by rwmj »

pessimizer wrote: post #8
rwmj wrote: post #2

He doesn't address the obvious question: Why? Why for the end user? Why for Jolla?

Probably because of the obvious answer: Because the CEO of Jolla thinks that Jolla's operating system is better than others, and the option to switch to something that may be better is a good thing, whether or not you choose to take it.

Sure, it would be good for my ego if people installed "rwmjOS". But how does it help his company? That is to say, financially?

Jolla's apparent killer feature is that it runs Android apps, like, erm, Android. It's not really any more open or cheaper than AOSP.

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