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Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by eksith »

stephen_g wrote: post #56
eksith wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time, 90% of our clients constituted that 0.03%. We're no longer in the specialty networking/server scope.

What exactly led them to all having such misconfigured networks?

Back around the early 2000's we were running something of an ad-hoc VPN of dynamically connected servers. It was somewhat similar to the way Napster worked with one central server and many connected nodes. These connections relied on manual configuration, for the most part, and that did involve a fair amount of tunneling.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by asdasf »

JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

Yes, it is the only reason I don't use them for hosting, even though I've had my domains with them for over a decade. For a company with a motto of "no bullshit", it is really disappointing. Sketchy credit nonsense is about as bullshit as you can get.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by asdasf »

zeograd wrote: post #45
JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

advantage of credits vs local money is that the cost of credits is lower as you buy it by larger batch. It's a way to reward bigger buyers which would be confusing when using local money ("get credited of €215 when paying €180" ? what about refund ? invoicing unit ?) And as resources can be micromanaged (per hour, via their api), you'd end up with tiny fractions of local currencies and rounding issues while all credi…

And also a way for me to have wasted money left over when I stop using the service and can't use up all my credits.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by asdasf »

Does anyone know if gandi uses ECC in their servers? This is possibly my biggest problem with the VPS fad, nobody will give you a straight answer about whether or not you can actually rely on them to not silently corrupt data.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by sneak »

bradgessler wrote: post #46
perlgeek wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But notice that private networking is more complex. If you want to reach non-public server, either you have to log in into a public server in the same network and then open another connection, or you need VRF routing (ouch!). With IPv6 you can just ssh into the box directly.

That's a lot of surface area you're exposing.

Some people put public v4 addresses on machines already. I would if they weren't so scarce.

That's what firewalls and packet filters are for.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by quasque »

Qantourisc wrote: post #54
quasque wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a while ago, but Gandi disabled my account - with no warnings - for running a Tor node on one of my VPSes. I then had to send a copy of my passport to eventually get it reenabled. The frustrating thing was that they were also my domain registrar, so during that time I lost all access to my domains as well. I transferred my domains away after that and decided it wasn't wise to mix services together due to thi…

Can you provide more details about your situation ?

Here's the email exchange with Gandi: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ra00BxXM

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by quasque »

mz23in wrote: post #50
quasque wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a while ago, but Gandi disabled my account - with no warnings - for running a Tor node on one of my VPSes. I then had to send a copy of my passport to eventually get it reenabled. The frustrating thing was that they were also my domain registrar, so during that time I lost all access to my domains as well. I transferred my domains away after that and decided it wasn't wise to mix services together due to thi…

Maybe not for running a Tor node, but Gandi may have received complaints about traffic on this node ? Gandi allows any service to be run on its platform, abuse is not allowed as it isn't on other provider. Thus, they must do the necessary legal operations according to the law, policies and their contract.

Yes, I had severely underestimated the amount of bad traffic that would pass through a Tor exit node.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by _delirium »

asdasf wrote: post #64

Does anyone know if gandi uses ECC in their servers? This is possibly my biggest problem with the VPS fad, nobody will give you a straight answer about whether or not you can actually rely on them to not silently corrupt data.

A few providers seem to use ECC. I know prgmr.com does, although they're not very good at advertising it: http://prgmr.com/xen/

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by eli »

mz23in wrote: post #38
JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

This concept answers to many issues Gandi faced. * Being "cloud-ish" and have a pay-as-you-go system * Computing a price to use a 256MB of RAM for 3 hours in real currency was too complicated (like, for example : 0.0000174€) * Having no surprise at the end of the month, as some hosting providers compute the global use and bill the consumption at the end of the month (you may have surprise) * Using credits, to create…

I get what you're saying, but other providers (e.g. Amazon) manage to solve this problem without prepaid credits.

Re: An IPv6-only VPS that costs less

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Post by icebraining »

michaelt wrote: post #36
JoshGlazebrook wrote: post #28

Unrelated to the ipv6 subject, but does anyone else just find the whole concept of "credits" that gandi is using absolutely irritating? I know that it lists "or about $xx.xx per month" next to the credit cost, but why in the hell even have the credits in the first place? It's easier to just use the actual costs in the customer's local currency than have them try and figure out what exactly a credit/"coin" is worth.

According to [1] French law means they can't store credit card information or directly debit bank accounts. So I can see why a prepay account would appeal to them. [1] http://wiki.gandi.net/en/billing/faq/direct-debit

Prepaid doesn't mean you have to deal with credits, though. My phone is prepaid, but the carrier still lists the price in real currency, not fake money.
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