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Re: Jolla

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Post by justin66 »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #223
shooper wrote: post #161

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I find this kind of comments very funny. If Microsoft had the ability to install their moles as CEOs, why don't they do the same thing to Samsung, Apple, Google, HTC, etc. etc.? How exactly does one company go about installing their moles as CEOs of other companies? Bribe and blackmail the board members? You're ascribing Microsoft the powers of a comic book supervillain while they cannot even sell a few million Surfa…

You're closer to the truth than the conspiracy theorists, but when Elop was hired, Meego was still actually on the table as The Nokia Future. He took it off the table because in his estimation it just wasn't ready. (I worked for Nokia at the time, saw the N9 prototype at the same point in its life he did when he made that call, and he was right. It just wasn't ready.) And, as a fairly long article in Business Week (I…

> Nokia wanted to be able to use the official Android branding and use Nokia's existing services (mostly their maps), but Google's license doesn't allow that.

Can you elaborate? It's hard to understand in light of all the extra cruft the carriers put on their Android devices.

Re: Jolla

#252

Post by buster »

shmerl wrote: post #249
buster wrote: post #174

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https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html Our goal with the Sailfish OS is to develop an open source operating system in co-operation with the community, thus ensuring the development of a best-of-breed operating system. So it looks like the software will be open source. I just hope that the device will not be locked down..

UPDATE: See this: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState

Oh, that's a real shame. From glancing at the list it seems like Jolla is still too much thinking in nokia/business/corporate terms. Looks like they just use open source as their platform for their own closed-source stuff..

Looks like everything in the opensource list is open source anyway and everything that jolla did is closed.. So no Jolla for me :(

Re: Jolla

#253

Post by shmerl »

buster wrote: post #252
shmerl wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UPDATE: See this: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState

Oh, that's a real shame. From glancing at the list it seems like Jolla is still too much thinking in nokia/business/corporate terms. Looks like they just use open source as their platform for their own closed-source stuff.. Looks like everything in the opensource list is open source anyway and everything that jolla did is closed.. So no Jolla for me :(

That's unfortunate, I agree, but they didn't say it will remain like this. It's surely far from what Mozilla does with consistent open development for example, but they still can open up Sailfish in the future. If you compare this to Android - it's already waay better. Having 100% open systems would be ideal of course.

There is also Nemo Mobile, from which Sailfish derives most of the middleware (in addition to Mer). It is fully open. There is an on going work to redesign Nemo UI:

* http://play.qwazix.com/grog/

* http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344

Most probably Nemo will be easily installable on Jolla's handset. Or bootable from an SD card there, without wiping the preinstalled system. So this device is a big milestone for mobile Linux anyway, regardless the shortcomings of the closed parts in Sailfish.

Re: Jolla

#254

Post by buster »

shmerl wrote: post #253
buster wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, that's a real shame. From glancing at the list it seems like Jolla is still too much thinking in nokia/business/corporate terms. Looks like they just use open source as their platform for their own closed-source stuff.. Looks like everything in the opensource list is open source anyway and everything that jolla did is closed.. So no Jolla for me :(

That's unfortunate, I agree, but they didn't say it will remain like this. It's surely far from what Mozilla does with consistent open development for example, but they still can open up Sailfish in the future. If you compare this to Android - it's already waay better. Having 100% open systems would be ideal of course. There is also Nemo Mobile, from which Sailfish derives most of the middleware (in addition to Mer).…

Let's hope so, i guess it remains to be seen how open the device really is.

Re: Jolla

#255

Post by shmerl »

buster wrote: post #254
shmerl wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's unfortunate, I agree, but they didn't say it will remain like this. It's surely far from what Mozilla does with consistent open development for example, but they still can open up Sailfish in the future. If you compare this to Android - it's already waay better. Having 100% open systems would be ideal of course. There is also Nemo Mobile, from which Sailfish derives most of the middleware (in addition to Mer).…

Let's hope so, i guess it remains to be seen how open the device really is.

You can also check the community FAQ here: http://piratepad.net/JollaFAQ

Re: Jolla

#256

Post by sbisson »

justin66 wrote: post #251
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're closer to the truth than the conspiracy theorists, but when Elop was hired, Meego was still actually on the table as The Nokia Future. He took it off the table because in his estimation it just wasn't ready. (I worked for Nokia at the time, saw the N9 prototype at the same point in its life he did when he made that call, and he was right. It just wasn't ready.) And, as a fairly long article in Business Week (I…

> Nokia wanted to be able to use the official Android branding and use Nokia's existing services (mostly their maps), but Google's license doesn't allow that. Can you elaborate? It's hard to understand in light of all the extra cruft the carriers put on their Android devices.

Nokia wanted to use its maps and not Google's, but still be a Google services licensee. That's a no go as far as Google is concerned. Microsoft let Nokia replace its Bing maps with Here, and in fact licensed it as a replacement for the Bing mapping data.

Third party apps on carrier devices that have the Google Play store are in addition to the Google services, not replacing them. The Google services are all there, even if they're hidden.

Re: Jolla

#257

Post by fulafel »

rhelmer wrote: post #218
fulafel wrote: post #193

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The Firefox OS phone (Zte Open) has proprietary stuff.

Are there any phones that do not require proprietary drivers? I am not aware of any.

Yes. The most free one is OpenMoko, even the baseband firmware: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/0672...

(runnig non-certified baseband firmware is illegal in many places however, from spectrum use regulations)

Re: Jolla

#258

Post by memsom »

voltagex_ wrote: post #188
wmf wrote: post #187

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The real question is when are they going to announce a total rewrite of the OS that will obsolete the shipping version. Usually they announce that right about the time the phone ships.

By that reasoning, Android 4.4 obsoleted 4.3.

the joke is that this is what Nokia did almost every time they released a NIT OS (ie maemo) version.

Re: Jolla

#259

Post by justin66 »

sbisson wrote: post #256
justin66 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nokia wanted to be able to use the official Android branding and use Nokia's existing services (mostly their maps), but Google's license doesn't allow that. Can you elaborate? It's hard to understand in light of all the extra cruft the carriers put on their Android devices.

Nokia wanted to use its maps and not Google's, but still be a Google services licensee. That's a no go as far as Google is concerned. Microsoft let Nokia replace its Bing maps with Here, and in fact licensed it as a replacement for the Bing mapping data. Third party apps on carrier devices that have the Google Play store are in addition to the Google services, not replacing them. The Google services are all there, ev…

Would the thing have been feasible if they'd simply bundled Here and kept the Google Maps app on the menu as well? It seems like an odd thing to become a sticking point.
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