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We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
Once you realize that 100% of his writing is about the self-hating gay Mormon experience, you notice a lot more subtext. In this piece, the junior programmer who becomes a middle-manager to please the marketers is a metaphor for gay Mormons who marry women to please the church.
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
We do, but that seems like a fairly off-topic comment in this case, since this is an article about software companies... What I also know is he's a pretty terrible writer - Ender's Game is fantastic, but the sequels are progressively worse and worse in a horrifying fashion that boggles the mind until you realise that OSC is someone who has a very, very basic understanding (or lack thereof) of human relationships and…
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
Once you realize that 100% of his writing is about the self-hating gay Mormon experience, you notice a lot more subtext. In this piece, the junior programmer who becomes a middle-manager to please the marketers is a metaphor for gay Mormons who marry women to please the church.
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
If we ignore everything ever said by people with nasty beliefs, we'd basically never read anything written more than 100 years ago, and a decent chunk of the stuff written since. Anti-slavery campaigners in to 1800s used to beat their children. Pretty much every writer in antiquity was either a slaver or pederasts by modern standards. Where do you stop? It's worth being aware of so you know to take such things into a…
See: http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html for one of the reasons people find him repellent.
Choice quote (after he had a chance to reflect on the response to his essay):
"...it has become clearer and clearer to me, since writing this essay, that gay activism as a movement is no longer looking for civil rights, which by and large homosexuals already have. Rather they are seeking to enforce acceptance of their sexual liaisons as having equal validity with heterosexual marriages, to the point of having legal rights as spouses, the right to adopt children, and the right to insist that their behavior be taught to children in public schools as a completely acceptable "alternative lifestyle." It does not take a homophobe to recognize how destructive such a program will be in a society already reeling from the terrible consequences of "no-fault" divorce, social tolerance of extramarital promiscuity, and failing to protect our adolescents until they can channel their sexual passions in a socially productive way. Having already lost control of the car, we now find the gay activists screaming at us to speed up as we drive headlong toward the cliff."
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
Horrible people sometimes say good things... Good people sometimes say horrible things...
Or did programmers really only start to have social lives, dislike permanent crunch mode and plan before coding in the last 20 years?
It sounds to me like Card read through the Jargon file, i.e. the self-image of a considerably earlier subculture of programmers, took it at face value, added some hyperbole and wrote it up as a kind of revelation.
We all know that OSC is a horrible bigot, right? I feel like any sort of fatherly advice he emits needs to be suffixed with "...unless you're gay, then you should be in prison."
We do, but that seems like a fairly off-topic comment in this case, since this is an article about software companies... What I also know is he's a pretty terrible writer - Ender's Game is fantastic, but the sequels are progressively worse and worse in a horrifying fashion that boggles the mind until you realise that OSC is someone who has a very, very basic understanding (or lack thereof) of human relationships and…
Ender's Game was about as bad as the rest on that count...
The majority of the conversation and comments are on these:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1866486 (netjeff.com) : 45 comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=552821 (carolyn.org): 23 comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5372726 (zoion.com) : 14 comments
There are also a few comments on some of these:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43842 (apocalypse.org)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=99568 (zoion.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1635094 (netjeff.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1637968 (zoion.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1654310 (zoion.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2523005 (fuzz-box.blogspot.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2734040 (fuzz-box.blogspot.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3993706 (zoion.com)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4776844 (zoion.com)