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Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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Re: Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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I saw Soylent mentioned on the first page, and then this para from the NYT's Well page stood out even more starkly: >> "Last year, in its nutrition guidelines for cancer survivors, the American Cancer Society noted that eating traditional soy foods — like tofu, miso, tempeh and soy milk — may help lower the risk of breast, prostate and other cancers. But the guidelines do not recommend soy supplements, which tend to…

Soy is not used in Soylent. He named it after Make Room! Make Room![1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_(food_substitute)

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Re: Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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What a pile of first world problems. I suspect a lot fewer guys will quit sugar and lose weight instead of quitting soy after reading this. And diabetes makes soy estrogen mimicking hormones look like kids' play when it comes to erectile dysfunction.

A guy in his 50s or 60s (well past when the boys are pumping out huge amounts of testosterone) drinking _3 quarts_ of soy milk per day is not exactly typical.

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What a pile of first world problems. I suspect a lot fewer guys will quit sugar and lose weight instead of quitting soy after reading this. And diabetes makes soy estrogen mimicking hormones look like kids' play when it comes to erectile dysfunction. A guy in his 50s or 60s (well past when the boys are pumping out huge amounts of testosterone) drinking _3 quarts_ of soy milk per day is not exactly typical.

And don't forget, it was only one guy...

Re: Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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This is why I am always extremely skeptical of any kind of diet extremism. I cringe any time someone labels something a "superfood", as that means they are likely to encourage eating it far beyond the point where it is healthy. I also cringe any time a dietary recommendation to remove a major macronutrient (fat, carbs) from your diet; that tends to lead to extreme compensation with something else, which can also be unhealthy.

And this is also why I cringe about the hype over Soylent. We really don't know all that much about nutrition. We are constantly discovering new things about it; it's an incredibly complex topic, the way our body interacts with different things that we eat. Coming out with a product that you're encouraging people to replace their entire diet with, and saying that it's safe because you have personally tested it for a couple of months, is insane. A lot of these kinds of effects can only be seen after years, or only impact 10% of the population, or the like.

    "In today's supermarkets," he says, his voice weary, 
    "you can't hardly get anything without at least some soy 
    in it."
It's funny that he says this. I eat very little soy, unless I've chosen to in the form of tofu or soy sauce. How do I manage this? By only buying things that don't need ingredient lists because they are a single ingredient. If you buy fresh produce, meat, flour, eggs, etc. and actually cook yourself, you can easily control what's in your diet. Don't buy prepackaged instant meals that you'll need to inspect the ingredient list of, and you'll be fine.

Anyhow, I'm sure that after articles like this, people will start doing the extreme reaction again, of "soy free" everything, replacing with something else that has some other potential health problem. Soy, in moderation, causes no problems for the vast majority of people. This guy is a special case, due to both his sensitivity and the extreme amount he consumed, replacing much of his protein intake with soy.

Re: Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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What a pile of first world problems. I suspect a lot fewer guys will quit sugar and lose weight instead of quitting soy after reading this. And diabetes makes soy estrogen mimicking hormones look like kids' play when it comes to erectile dysfunction. A guy in his 50s or 60s (well past when the boys are pumping out huge amounts of testosterone) drinking _3 quarts_ of soy milk per day is not exactly typical.

And don't forget, it was only one guy...

The NEJM it ain't. Thanks for the links to the debunking articles.

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I saw Soylent mentioned on the first page, and then this para from the NYT's Well page stood out even more starkly: >> "Last year, in its nutrition guidelines for cancer survivors, the American Cancer Society noted that eating traditional soy foods — like tofu, miso, tempeh and soy milk — may help lower the risk of breast, prostate and other cancers. But the guidelines do not recommend soy supplements, which tend to…

Soy is not used in Soylent. He named it after Make Room! Make Room![1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_(food_substitute)

You're right, and my bad at that wrong association.

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I saw Soylent mentioned on the first page, and then this para from the NYT's Well page stood out even more starkly: >> "Last year, in its nutrition guidelines for cancer survivors, the American Cancer Society noted that eating traditional soy foods — like tofu, miso, tempeh and soy milk — may help lower the risk of breast, prostate and other cancers. But the guidelines do not recommend soy supplements, which tend to…

The nytimes blog entry is at http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/ask-well-is-it-safe...

Re: Soy's Negative Effects (2009)

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This report talks about new introductions to the American diet. However, though soy may be relatively new to the US, my understanding is that Soy and soy-based products like Tofu have been popular in countries like China and Japan for many centuries.

Has any research been done to establish whether soy has been harmful in countries where they've been eating it for generations ?

I'd also be curious to know whether the alleged "harmful" effect observed in soy-based products (like soymilk etc.) has also been observed in plain soybeans.

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