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Re: Jolla

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Post by Angostura »

Zigurd wrote: post #43
networked wrote: post #9

>Jolla brings you the best of both worlds – super intuitive Sailfish OS apps and the latest Android™ apps. The recent article on OS/2 [1] makes me wonder whether such compatibility (which, as I understand, is full and not selective) is actually good for them. Either way, tough, I wish Jolla success; I'd like to see Sailfish OS [2] on an actual device. [1] See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6792010 . The short o…

> The recent article on OS/2 [1] makes me wonder whether such compatibility (which, as I understand, is full and not selective) is actually good for them. I would bet it will make Jolla a winner. Android apps will always be new and fresh, even after Microsoft stops throwing money at developers. Jolla will always have a fall-back in case some new popular app takes off.

The problem is you wend up with Jolla simply running a whole load of non-native apps that fail to use the OS to the best of its ability, it can really ruin the perception of an OS if all these swipe gestures etc work in some apps, but not others.

Re: Jolla

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Post by daliusd »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #229
daliusd wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux ? (not just Linux kernel)

Linux is a good thing, but Linux as a thing in itself delivers a lot of geek cred and is a good platform for other software, but it is not a feature that gives phone users any value. Will the average buyer know or care? Is it more stable? Cheaper? Android phones are stable and cheap already. Does it run new kinds of apps or run existing apps faster? Make coffee and wash dishes? What does it do for me that my current…

I absolutely agree with you. Still you have asked personal question "So why should __we__ get excited" and I made assumption that __we__ as hackers. If __we__ as people - IMHO nothing interesting about this phone from average user perspective. N950 and N9 were interesting phones for me as geek (because of QtQuick) but QtQuick performance gain is not that important/significant if compared to HTML(5).

The only reason why I love different brands than Android is to play with something interesting and different. That's why Firefox OS looks particularly interesting for me currently with my simple needs and low dependence on Google.

Re: Jolla

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Post by adamors »

Angostura wrote: post #202
jggonz wrote: post #55

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> Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting. The more options there are for the consumer, the better off we are. Take a look at the iPhone vs Android scene. If it weren't for other options being available, we'd still be living with 3.5" LCD…

> I think having other "Android"-compatible phones out there is very interesting. It would be interesting if I understood what particular problem it solves, which I don't really.

> Sailfish OS, a truly open mobile operating system

Re: Jolla

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Post by muyuu »

Brakenshire wrote: post #95
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the…

Wow.

Suddenly I'm interested.

Re: Jolla

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Post by HunOL »

lambda wrote: post #47
MehdiEG wrote: post #24

For those who are wondering why this is up on the front page: Jolla is launching their first handset tonight in Helsinki: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-... I always wondered why Jolla is getting so little love from HN. To me and from a geek / hacker point of view, Jolla is an awful lot more interesting than Android. Anyone who's had the chance to own a Meego device knows how incredibly t…

Probably hasn't been getting much attention because so far it is vaporware (until you can actually buy a device, it's not all that interesting), and it's a member of the complicated Maemo/Moblin/Meego/Tizen/Mer/Sailfish family that keeps on promising great things but seems to be reinvented every year and never actually delivers a working or supported ecosystem. Yes, a few devices have been released in that family, bu…

I think that ubuntu touch, ubuntu edge and etc get more attention than jolla for no reasons.

Re: Jolla

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Post by king-coconut »

sbierwagen wrote: post #225
znowi wrote: post #176

One of their implicit pitch is that Jolla is "surveillance free". And it can run Android apps. I think these two features are good enough to spark an interest. The spec looks also impressive. But freedom doesn't come cheap at almost $550. Nonetheless, a very exciting development. I'm also waiting for Firefox OS to mature and produce more devices. I can't wait to drop Android. Each release takes more freedom away from…

One of their implicit pitch is that Jolla is "surveillance free". Bullshit. Unless the phone can lie to the phone company about which cell tower its connected to, or some magic like that, it's not going to be anything like "surveillance free."

I think he ment that if you want to use the phone, you are not forced to use a ecosystem monitored by USA.

Re: Jolla

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Post by nicholassmith »

missing_cipher wrote: post #213
sudomal wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like a lot of things that appear on HN... strange and unfamiliar words without context. Yep, a smartphone.

It's the title's fault, OP made no effort to explain what he was linking. Pretty annoying actually.

That'd be editorialising the title which is expressly discouraged by the site moderators.

Re: Jolla

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Post by xmus »

i don't know about you but it TRIES to look like ios7, i say LET IT GO - smart-phone business is OWNED by Apple, the sooner we accept that the sooner we can move on to a TRULY different thing - this includes Android too, just DIE you're NOT "original" - instead of coming up with NEW ideas you try to rip-off one another and it's getting annoying [most of the time the company that started the idea WINS]

in summary: - it's a phone [i think] - looks elegant - looks simple to use - it's smart [i think --- am thinking a lot aren't i :)] - android apps [hope it's better in security than Android] - gesture based [OMG, didn't see that one coming]

sound familiar - well it should - iPhone which STARTED all of THIS!

NOTE: am not even an iPhone user, Blackberry [Loyal to the end :)]

CONCLUSION: BORING!

PLEASE if there's something NEW about the OS and the HARDWARE tell me!

Re: Jolla

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Post by sharpneli »

voltagex_ wrote: post #190
sharpneli wrote: post #186

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I cannot. They didn't really speak about it. However my first impressions as a developer: It is a breath of fresh air that instead of fiddling with AndroidSDK and having to deploy an apk my first test of their toolchain was simple compilation -> scp the binary into the phone and run it in dev mode terminal (or via ssh from a desktop). They naturally have a full fledged packaging system like apk but the point is that…

How restricted are you? Can you get root on it?

There are practically no restrictions whatsoever. You have root as soon as you enable the developer mode from options. You can even flash your own images to the device.

Re: Jolla

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Post by javindo »

That looks cool and all but please get Swype on board. I find it an indispensable part of mobile use nowadays and any US without it is seriously missing out.
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