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Re: Jolla

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Post by vidarh »

daliusd wrote: post #155
zobzu wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure they can say jolla is the phone, sailfish the os, and that it comes from meego tho. and everything else without mentioning even Nokia. heh.

I just did experiment and asked my wife what OS is running on her phone. She has no idea. She owns N9.

I'm a software developer with 20 years of professional experience, 18 of them on Linux, and 33 years of time spend immersed in technology every day, and I didn't know the N9 ran Meego until I read the paragraph above. I was somewhat aware of Jolla and Sailfish, and vaguely aware it had Linux somewhere there, but only barely.

They probably should not mention the OS very much, and focus on getting people to recognize the brand and reasons why they should want the phones, and only mention "Linux" and "Meego" far down the list.

Re: Jolla

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Post by daliusd »

Zigurd wrote: post #207
daliusd wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO that's right decision. BlackBerry offered Android and it is low value.

Blackberry has a security model that is incompatible with Android's rather liberal model, so every app has to be vetted and sold through Blackberry's app store. That will put a big wet blanket on your Android app availability. Technologically, Blackberry did a great job.

Technologically, yes, it works, but not always correctly. Users don't like it. That's like public transportation with Ferrari seats claiming Ferrari experience.

Re: Jolla

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

shooper wrote: post #161
Mikeb85 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might have done better if MS' trojan horse hadn't cancelled it on release...

I find this kind of comments very funny. If Microsoft had the ability to install their moles as CEOs, why don't they do the same thing to Samsung, Apple, Google, HTC, etc. etc.? How exactly does one company go about installing their moles as CEOs of other companies? Bribe and blackmail the board members? You're ascribing Microsoft the powers of a comic book supervillain while they cannot even sell a few million Surfa…

You're closer to the truth than the conspiracy theorists, but when Elop was hired, Meego was still actually on the table as The Nokia Future. He took it off the table because in his estimation it just wasn't ready. (I worked for Nokia at the time, saw the N9 prototype at the same point in its life he did when he made that call, and he was right. It just wasn't ready.)

And, as a fairly long article in Business Week (I think) detailed a couple years ago, Android was actually the first choice over Windows Phone, but Google and Nokia couldn't come to terms: Nokia wanted to be able to use the official Android branding and use Nokia's existing services (mostly their maps), but Google's license doesn't allow that.

Having said all that, I can understand some of the conspiracy mindset around this. Nokia wrote Elop's contract in a way which basically gave him a huge golden parachute if the handset division was sold to someone else, and that really is nuts -- I doubt the intention was to explicitly reward failure, but it's damn easy to paint it that way. But this whole "secret mole" thing? Frankly, whatever one thinks about Microsoft's business practices, I don't think it's plausible that they're really clever enough to pull this off.

Re: Jolla

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Post by sbierwagen »

Brakenshire wrote: post #95
jasonkester wrote: post #44

They seem to put a lot of effort into telling you things other than "what is this thing?" It sorta looks like a phone. Is it a phone? "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS." Sweet. How is that relevant? It must be important because it spends the rest of the page telling you about the OS. I'm back here, with honestly no idea what it is. Probably not the impression they want to leave on people, assuming (as a guess) that th…

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the…

  or the Play Services APIs
Huh. So I can't use any of the Google apps, like gmail?

Re: Jolla

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Post by sbierwagen »

znowi wrote: post #176

One of their implicit pitch is that Jolla is "surveillance free". And it can run Android apps. I think these two features are good enough to spark an interest. The spec looks also impressive. But freedom doesn't come cheap at almost $550. Nonetheless, a very exciting development. I'm also waiting for Firefox OS to mature and produce more devices. I can't wait to drop Android. Each release takes more freedom away from…

  One of their implicit pitch is that Jolla is "surveillance free".
Bullshit. Unless the phone can lie to the phone company about which cell tower its connected to, or some magic like that, it's not going to be anything like "surveillance free."

Re: Jolla

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Post by josteink »

sbierwagen wrote: post #224
Brakenshire wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the people who are genuinely confused, Jolla is a company that sells smartphones, their first smartphone is also called Jolla; it runs Sailfish OS, which is effectively a fork of the Meego operating system which Nokia used in its N9/N900 phones, before they switched to Windows Mobile. This is not very surprising, because Jolla is a Finnish company principally made up of ex-Nokia engineers, including a lot of the…

or the Play Services APIs Huh. So I can't use any of the Google apps, like gmail?

No, because Google will only license those libraries and frameworks to "pure" Android devices as certified by Google.

And Google will not certify sailfish OS as Android.

Re: Jolla

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Post by namuol »

I like how the video gives us the heads-up about how easy it is to accidentally hang up on your mother.

Re: Jolla

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Post by alandarev »

Brakenshire wrote: post #110
msvan wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How refreshing it is with a tech product that doesn't launch in the US first! I'm quite happy that there are more non-US non-China competitors popping up in the mobile market.

I think that might partly explain the advertising, they seem to be modelling themselves on that Central/Northern European, Berlin counter-culture, Girl-with-a-Dragon-Tattoo, techy-savvy hacker kind of thing. Problem is, at least from the other side of Europe, that seems like it would represent a fairly tiny demographic, and I'm not sure deliberately avoiding the mainstream, and going for semi-obscurity, is all that g…

Being a tech-savvy european here, I just like everyone here, was totally confused by their landing page.

Thus, I highly doubt they targetted anyone there.

Re: Jolla

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

daliusd wrote: post #134
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #85

I value my smartphone a lot, but I find it hard to get excited about this smart phone vs that smartphone. Android, Samsung android fork, iPhone, WinPhone, whatever. They're all good, they all roll out a faster better version every year. They all have twitter, facebook, email, maps, search, a camera, app store. etc. Oh yeah, and SMS and voice calls too. So why should we get excited about this flavour of hand-held conn…

Linux ? (not just Linux kernel)

Linux is a good thing, but Linux as a thing in itself delivers a lot of geek cred and is a good platform for other software, but it is not a feature that gives phone users any value. Will the average buyer know or care?

Is it more stable? Cheaper? Android phones are stable and cheap already. Does it run new kinds of apps or run existing apps faster? Make coffee and wash dishes? What does it do for me that my current phone does not?

Re: Jolla

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Post by shmerl »

vidarh wrote: post #221
daliusd wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just did experiment and asked my wife what OS is running on her phone. She has no idea. She owns N9.

I'm a software developer with 20 years of professional experience, 18 of them on Linux, and 33 years of time spend immersed in technology every day, and I didn't know the N9 ran Meego until I read the paragraph above. I was somewhat aware of Jolla and Sailfish, and vaguely aware it had Linux somewhere there, but only barely. They probably should not mention the OS very much, and focus on getting people to recognize t…

Stock N9 doesn't even run Meego (proper). It runs Harmattan, a transitional system which is more Maemo than Meego underneath. Nokia planned to evolve it into Meego proper, but never did since it soon sunk into the oblivion of WP. Some parts of Meego (not Harmattan) were forked by the community as Mer, and some other parts (namely Meego Handset) as Nemo. Sailfish is built on Mer and parts of Nemo, adding its own UI on top. All this (including historic evolution of Moblin and Maemo to Meego) can be pretty confusing for those who didn't follow these developments. See also this chart: https://github.com/kumadasu/tizen-history
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