Fortunately, Android is open enough
Well, make CyanogenMod Installer Application open enough and put it onto F-droid.
Don't wan't to? Well, neither GOOG ...so much about openness PR.
CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
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Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#132With the CM Installer in the play store many lay-people started using it, rendering their phones unusable[1] when any little issue cropped up. Also the process wasn't foolproof even for people capable of dealing with technical issues[2]. It isn't polished enough to go in the play store IMO. I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press. 1: ht…
But that is only one person whose phone is rendered unusable and not many as you insinuate. Same thing happened with PS4 launch when people reported issues, but statistic turned out to be http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy...
I think an accurate comparison would be EA providing software via the Playstation Store which attempts to change the OS, leading to a situation where the warranty becomes void and Sony refuses to replace or fix broken PS4s free of cost.
When problems creep up on a product like this, the user will get shafted badly in the end. Google will refuse to help (cue complaints about Google allowing potentially destructive apps in Play store) as they don't support either the software or the phone, the manufacturer will also wash their hands off it, CM does not provide support for this from what I understand.
I have been using Android phones since 2010 (rarely on a stock ROM) and even now flashing anything is done with a prayer on my lips. There are just too many things that can go wrong with the way it is done right now.
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
> that you cant install without voiding warranties So you think that a user should be able install an OS that bricks their phone and still have the phone still covered by warranty? How does that make sense? Is this people's expectation of Google, that if they don't give you whatever you want (at their own expense) then they are like 90s Microsoft?
>So you think that a user should be able install an OS that bricks their phone and still have the phone still covered by warranty? > >How does that make sense? Because software shouldn't brick the phone. It should ALWAYS be possible to download and restore the pre-installed operating system and factory settings (it definitely was on my last android phone - an xperia - which I 'bricked' multiple times trying to get cy…
>Because software shouldn't brick the phone.
It's not software, it's a damn operating system.
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's recap. Prior to today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system could be installed by using an app from Google's own app store (which sometimes bricked the phone). After today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system can be installed by downloading the installer from the CM website. This somehow makes Google like 90's Microsoft? How many operating systems o…
>If you want to see a real socialist No true Scotsman is a logical fallacy that you should avoid. Saying there is someone out there that is worse actually does nothing to address the original point. Let me demonstrate, "You think Romney was conservative? Look at X tea party member that wants to own slaves." Do you see how that doesn't do anything to refute that Romney is conservative?
Who says discussions on the Internet should be free of fallacy?
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
What freedoms were lost, exactly?
Besides the limitations spelled out in the TOS and the often reported issues with that, there are the invisible issues with developers not creating products which they know won't be approved. There is a basic freedom lost when you allow yourself (the entire software market) to be subject to arbitrary corporate control especially when there is inadequate competition. It's clear that the terms are there only to serve t…
I don't see why such a big deal is being made of this. If users want it, they can install the app from the CM website. The Windows app is also being installed from their website.
Google doesn't want people to hold it liable for potential bricking of devices and took it off its store. What's the issue here?
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#136It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".
CM phones home by default. There's a word for software like that: Malware. The Play Store shouldn't have malware.
Are you kidding me? They tell me exactly what data they collect and for what purpose. To say that is malware is either extreme sarcasm or extreme stupidity.
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most recent version... that I cannot install in my Galaxy Nexus, which is barely two years old. I've been an Apple hater all my life, but this, Google, this is epic bullshit.
As a Galaxy Nexus owner myself, it doesn't look like Google has a choice. The original vendor of the chipset is no longer around to update drivers. You can't wring blood from a stone.
If Google wanted to, they'd figure out a way. It just isn't in their interest. They only care about the new shiny. We'll see what happens with the 2012 Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 this time next year. They'll probably be discontinued too, as none of the Nexus lines have had updates for more than 2 years.
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#138This entire fiasco with the Android ecosystem stems from locked down bootloaders. How many people have bricked their PC's by installing a different OS on them? Why can we not have the same model for phones: If you brick it, some tiny bit of ROM can be invoked which connects to the Internet, downloads, verifies, and installs the latest carrier approved OS. This simple fail safe means that it is impossible to brick a phone and I bet instructions for how to initiate this reset could be made very simple. Instead, it seems that the OS and the bootloader are tightly coupled and the OS can actually screw up the bootloader, which is the root of all Android evil.
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#139With the CM Installer in the play store many lay-people started using it, rendering their phones unusable[1] when any little issue cropped up. Also the process wasn't foolproof even for people capable of dealing with technical issues[2]. It isn't polished enough to go in the play store IMO. I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press. 1: ht…
And, of course, CM still phones home by default, which is malware behavior, and not something we need to condone.
Don't be so dramatic. The phone home to provide statistics, it's much better then what is built in every stock rom.
Also, phoning home is not malware behaviour. Every single website in the world does it, is that all malware?
Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If you want to see a real socialist No true Scotsman is a logical fallacy that you should avoid. Saying there is someone out there that is worse actually does nothing to address the original point. Let me demonstrate, "You think Romney was conservative? Look at X tea party member that wants to own slaves." Do you see how that doesn't do anything to refute that Romney is conservative?
Who says discussions on the Internet should be free of fallacy?
Agreed. I bet there was very little debate in soviet Russia or in nazi Germany, so at least we have some kind of debate here. We are clearly better than those two examples.