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CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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> That had literally nothing to do with the end user, and everything to do with trying to enforce a monopoly. That word, monopoly. I don't think it means what you think it means. What they were trying to enforce was a common programming language for all apps that they could improve in tandem with the OS, so they wouldn't be held hostage in the future to be backwards compatible to some popular runtime (like Flash once…

Objective C is so good that no one ever chooses to use it outside of Apple world.

"Apple world" is pretty big.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

CM phones home by default. There's a word for software like that: Malware. The Play Store shouldn't have malware.

That's a nice ideal, but practically every app using the internet access permission is phoning home.

Mobile app analytics is huge, including by Google themselves.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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The app doesn't void your warranty. It encourages you to perform further actions that may void your warranty. Major difference. The article is clear that Google admits the app itself is not harmful.

I don't think that's a good enough distinction. If it's from the official store it should not even indirectly lead to harming your device or warranty. If an app tells you to throw your phone in the air — and I was both the phone hardware manufacturer and app store curator — I wouldn't allow it on my store either. It's going to increase customer complaints.

Not sure if you're intentionally referencing this, but there are definitely apps in the Google Play store that explicitly encourage you to throw your phone in the air, such as Send Me To Heaven app[1]

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.carrotpop....

(I don't actually disagree with your point, just thought it was funny)

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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The freedom to install the software of your choosing? The freedom to actually own your own computer? Seriously?

No installation freedoms were lost; you can still install the software from the article or the secondary software installed by the article's software. No ownership freedoms were lost -- whatever that has to do with the article. Seriously.

You can install what you want -- maybe, if your carrier lets you or you find an exploit to root your non-Nexus phone -- on Android only. That's not the case with iPhones or Windows phones. And yes, this is worse (read: less freedom) than you got with a Windows machine in the 90s.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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With the CM Installer in the play store many lay-people started using it, rendering their phones unusable[1] when any little issue cropped up. Also the process wasn't foolproof even for people capable of dealing with technical issues[2]. It isn't polished enough to go in the play store IMO. I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press. 1: ht…

There is plenty of such software on the Play Store.

E.g. Rom managers such as this one. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdut...

> I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press.

I know atleast three people who tried to install Linux and formatted their Windows partition in the process. So you mean Linux CDs and DVDs should never have been bundled with magazines?

I don't think there's any danger of grandma seeking out CM and going through the process to install it. CM has over 8M installs, having a handful of bricking incidents is nothing at that scale.

Hopefully this has nothing to do with CM making its own handsets http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2013/09/20/cyanogen-aims-cre...

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

CM phones home by default. There's a word for software like that: Malware. The Play Store shouldn't have malware.

Not sure if your post is sarcasm, but IIRC you need to enable a checkbox before CM sends metrics data back.

Also, by your metric of phoning home, 99.999% of apps in the Play Store should be banned since it's malware. In fact, Android itself meets that definition.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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> Most of Apple's decisions are about the end user, often to the detriment of the developer. Mandatory app review, Apple deals entirely with customers, unified in-app purchase interface. Please explain to me how Apple effectively blocking users of Amazon apps from having the in-app stores (ebooks, mp3s, etc.) they have on Android is in the user's interest. When you're done with that, do the same for Apple's effective…

Conjecture: End users can be confident everything that they purchase in an app is tied to their iTunes account. Purchasing an Amazon e-book using the Kindle app means the end user — who is not the most tech-savvy — needs to have an Amazon account and they need to be aware that anything purchased in the Kindle app (and only the Kindle app) doesn't get associated with their iTunes account, which is a different behavior…

If Apple didn't have this restriction, it wouldn't just the Kindle app, of course. It would also be Nook, Kobo, Google Books, Amazon Cloud Player, Google Music, HMV, ...

Superficially, this sounds even worse, but this is exactly the situation on Android. I've never heard of an Android user being confused by it, so I suspect this behavior far more intuitive than you think. On the other side of the ledger, I've heard of more than a few users (including tech-savvy ones who were previously familiar with the relevant history) being confused about not being able to buy books in the iOS Kindle app.

Separately, you didn't address Apple's prohibition of links to the relevant web store / website through which the store can be reached. At that point the purchase isn't even in-app (and the relevant purchase flow is exactly the same except that the user has to remember how to get to the website on their own), so...

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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First comment from the first thread you linked to: Aaaaand this is why making root and roms easy access is a terrible idea. I miss the days where knowledge of at least adb and fastboot were required. It's not politically correct to say, but it's true.

Yes. If you're not able to sideload this app, you probably shouldn't be using it.

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Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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But that is only one person whose phone is rendered unusable and not many as you insinuate. Same thing happened with PS4 launch when people reported issues, but statistic turned out to be http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy...

If an app bricks one phone in ten thousand, that's too much for the Play store. That doesn't mean the package can't exist outside of the Play store. In fact, the ability to install something outside of the Play store framework seems like one good test for whether someone is ready to make the jump.

>In fact, the ability to install something outside of the Play store framework seems like one good test for whether someone is ready to make the jump.

The exact same thing can be said about turning off UEFI Secure boot in Windows 8 and installing Linux... but alas, the uproar over that was deafening, even though it had an actual purpose of stopping undetectable bootkits.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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> That had literally nothing to do with the end user, and everything to do with trying to enforce a monopoly. That word, monopoly. I don't think it means what you think it means. What they were trying to enforce was a common programming language for all apps that they could improve in tandem with the OS, so they wouldn't be held hostage in the future to be backwards compatible to some popular runtime (like Flash once…

Objective C is so good that no one ever chooses to use it outside of Apple world.

Quit acting like GNUStep doesn't exist.
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