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Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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I have avoided them since I started buying SSDs because I associate their brand with Sandforce controllers, and I associate Sandforce controllers with drive failure.

Whether these associations are informed by and backed by data or not, they are among the points that steered me into the arms of Intel and Samsung for my SSD needs.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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I wonder why Toshiba wants OCZ given Toshiba is already making SSD themselves and been doing fine. As someone has already mentioned down below, OCZ to me was a RAM company before they sold first SSD. Is Toshiba trying to compete in the SSD market too? I thought Samsung and Intel were pretty much the winners in this market. If OCZ exist because of quality, what can Toshiba can get out of the acquisition? The factory?…

I'd guess factory, brand, and patents.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

#43

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I assume just the branding, really. They did very well with the gamer market.

/Did/ well. It's virtually known by everyone in the know that OCZ is synonymous for being unreliable.

Well now that Toshiba runs things that should be less of a problem.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's so bad. I bought my OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 2.5 years ago, it's been great and I'm still happy with it. They also have had many good reviews.

I've had to have them replace my OCZ Vertex 2 three times.

One of my Vertex2's died and I need to send it in on warranty (if it isn't too late). The other one is doing fine for now.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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post #32

In the early SSD days, I only heard two adjectives to describe OCZ drives - "fastest" and "unstable". It was inevitable the latter would catch up to them.

When I bought my SSD, I narrowed in on Intel very quickly. I don't trust "gamer" / benchmark-focused brands at all for this kind of product.

Definately, Intel fabs their own NAND devices in the USA! The 320/520 also has Intel's own controller in it. I have a 320 & a 330 striped in my laptop (SATA II). The have been working flawlessly for over a year, nearly two for the 320.

After my issues with Western Digital, Asus, OCZ (power supplies) and EVGA (mobo/gfx) I will never trust "gaming" hardware again. Overpriced junk. [OTOH all my Intel, MSI, and AMD hardware is still working after 6+ years in service.]

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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Do you have actual statistics? I'd truly like to see them. Most of the reliability problems I've seen have been self-reported, so I'm not sure what biases are present in what I've seen. ;) (I agree that many of their practices were bad, which likely lent to bad drives! This isn't trolling, just genuine curiosity if there were published stats)

Enjoy: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&h... http://www.hardware.fr/articles/911-7/ssd.html

And from 2012:

http://www.behardware.com/articles/862-6/components-returns-...

- Crucial 0.82% (as against 0.8%)

- Intel 1.73% (as against 0.1%)

- Corsair 2.93% (as against 2.9%)

- OCZ 7.03% (as against 4.2%)

Crucial has taken top spot from Intel thanks to a notable increase in Intel’s returns rate. We should say that this time, the Intel sample is only just above the minimum required and that some of the Intel returns are linked to the 8MB bug which has since been resolved. The OCZ rate has got a lot worse, going up to 7%, and only OCZ has models with rates of above 5%:

- 15.58% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 240 GB

- 13.28% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 160 GB

- 11.76% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 80 GB

- 9.52% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 120 GB

- 8.57% OCZ Vertex 3 Series 120 GB

- 7.49% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 60 GB

- 6.61% OCZ Vertex 2 Series 3.5" SSD 120 GB

- 6.37% OCZ Vertex 3 Series 240 GB

- 6.37% OCZ Agility 3 60 GB

- 5.89% OCZ Vertex 2 Series SSD 100 GB

The Vertex 2s have the worst scores but the Vertex 3s have nothing to be proud of either. Note that over the coming period, the Vertex 3s are doing much better thanks to developments in the firmware, with a rate of just 1.01% for the Vertex 3 120 GB as things stand.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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post #31

I wonder why Toshiba wants OCZ given Toshiba is already making SSD themselves and been doing fine. As someone has already mentioned down below, OCZ to me was a RAM company before they sold first SSD. Is Toshiba trying to compete in the SSD market too? I thought Samsung and Intel were pretty much the winners in this market. If OCZ exist because of quality, what can Toshiba can get out of the acquisition? The factory?…

I assume just the branding, really. They did very well with the gamer market.

Probably not with SSD given the frequent failure. But maybe the RAM and PSU?

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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post #28

In the "hardware junkies" mailing list at work (Microsoft) the OCZ drives were a periodic source of derision. "My OCZ drive failed..." / "I'm on my fourth RMA, what should I do?" "Real junkies buy Intel." (Or Samsung). And they don't buy TLC flash, either.

I am pleased that Microsoft has a list called "hardware junkies" :). I'd definitely be on it if I were there.

Nice to know they agree with the rest of us that Samsung is the way to go nowadays, too.

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone on HN is glad you're happy, but your single data point does fly in the face of statistically significant reliability problems with OCZ drives (ie, the only real way to evaluate storage manufacturers).

The plural of anecdote is not data. (Just a note to keep in mind when seeing all these personal testimonies)

> "The plural of anecdote is not data" -unknown source.

FTFY.

I read this about a year ago and have been unable to find the source. Does anyone know where this is from?

Re: Once-great SSD manufacturer OCZ filing for bankruptcy

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post #18

We had about 40 OCZ drives (Vertex 2/3/3 Max IOPS) and 6 of them failed. Our 8 Vertex 3 Max IOPS were in RAID 5 for a huge calculations which didn't require reliability but wrote a lot of data and therfore we tried to save time with this experimental RAID. The RAID was fine for about a couple of month and seeing almost 3 GB/s throughput was mindblowing. But suddenly we we saw drives randomly failing. But the drives d…

This was a firmware bug originating from the Sandforce firmware which the releases were based on - I think this one was completely fixed at least 8 months ago.
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