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CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by pwnna »

shocks wrote: post #21
pwnna wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait. I thought the ability to fuck up your phone (also known as replacing the shitty UI/crapware that your manufacture forced on you) is a major strength of Android phones?

I get it, you're both joking about how these 'flaws' allow us to do cool things with our phones - but the point being made (which you're both missing or ignoring) is that not everyone is tech-savvy like us and it's very possible for them to brick their devices.

It is a double edge sword. I think this is too early to tell, wait to see if Google will reinstate the app after big warnings in the description.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by gcb1 »

haberman wrote: post #40
g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

Let's recap. Prior to today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system could be installed by using an app from Google's own app store (which sometimes bricked the phone). After today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system can be installed by downloading the installer from the CM website. This somehow makes Google like 90's Microsoft? How many operating systems o…

let me see... google and the open handset aliance advertise an open source OS, that you cant install without voiding warranties and bending to proprietary radio and firmware code. just like pc manufacturers of the 80/90s (bios was reverse engineered from IBM and then tightly controled by ami. it only looked slighly open because IBM was much more closed. same with android standing next to apple.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by patrickaljord »

voltagex_ wrote: post #50
naner wrote: post #28

With the CM Installer in the play store many lay-people started using it, rendering their phones unusable[1] when any little issue cropped up. Also the process wasn't foolproof even for people capable of dealing with technical issues[2]. It isn't polished enough to go in the play store IMO. I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press. 1: ht…

First comment from the first thread you linked to: Aaaaand this is why making root and roms easy access is a terrible idea. I miss the days where knowledge of at least adb and fastboot were required. It's not politically correct to say, but it's true.

Yes. If you're not able to sideload this app, you probably shouldn't be using it.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by patrickaljord »

zhuzhuor wrote: post #27
devindotcom wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a TOS violation, nothing 90s-Microsoft about it.

quoted from the article: After reaching out to the Play team, their feedback was that though application itself is harmless, and not actually in violation of their Terms of Service,...

They updated the article, the app is in violation of the TOS.

> Update: Removed reference to stating the app was not in violation of TOS – this was a mischaracterization of Google’s statement.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by haberman »

gcb1 wrote: post #52
haberman wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's recap. Prior to today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system could be installed by using an app from Google's own app store (which sometimes bricked the phone). After today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system can be installed by downloading the installer from the CM website. This somehow makes Google like 90's Microsoft? How many operating systems o…

let me see... google and the open handset aliance advertise an open source OS, that you cant install without voiding warranties and bending to proprietary radio and firmware code. just like pc manufacturers of the 80/90s (bios was reverse engineered from IBM and then tightly controled by ami. it only looked slighly open because IBM was much more closed. same with android standing next to apple.

> that you cant install without voiding warranties

So you think that a user should be able install an OS that bricks their phone and still have the phone still covered by warranty?

How does that make sense?

Is this people's expectation of Google, that if they don't give you whatever you want (at their own expense) then they are like 90s Microsoft?

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by reginaldjcooper »

coldtea wrote: post #42
omegote wrote: post #16

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The most recent version... that I cannot install in my Galaxy Nexus, which is barely two years old. I've been an Apple hater all my life, but this, Google, this is epic bullshit.

> I've been an Apple hater all my life Isn't that a sad thing to be? And for most people mostly stemming out of reverse hipsterism, nonetheless...

That's not a sad thing to be, at least recently. Apple is one of the major enemies of personal computing freedom.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by Touche »

coldtea wrote: post #47
VikingCoder wrote: post #14

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Always about the end user? Like when Apple said that all Apps needed to be originally written in their crappy language, and that you could not cross-compile to it? That had literally nothing to do with the end user, and everything to do with trying to enforce a monopoly.

> That had literally nothing to do with the end user, and everything to do with trying to enforce a monopoly. That word, monopoly. I don't think it means what you think it means. What they were trying to enforce was a common programming language for all apps that they could improve in tandem with the OS, so they wouldn't be held hostage in the future to be backwards compatible to some popular runtime (like Flash once…

Objective C is so good that no one ever chooses to use it outside of Apple world.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by Zigurd »

devindotcom wrote: post #20
g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

This was a TOS violation, nothing 90s-Microsoft about it.

So is every packet filtering app that requires root, and many other categories of apps requiring root.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by austinz »

Touche wrote: post #58
coldtea wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That had literally nothing to do with the end user, and everything to do with trying to enforce a monopoly. That word, monopoly. I don't think it means what you think it means. What they were trying to enforce was a common programming language for all apps that they could improve in tandem with the OS, so they wouldn't be held hostage in the future to be backwards compatible to some popular runtime (like Flash once…

Objective C is so good that no one ever chooses to use it outside of Apple world.

Right, because the popularity of a programming language is always directly correlated to the quality of its design, and because when people choose languages to build a project in they only ever take technical considerations into account.
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