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CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by andyroid »

byjove wrote: post #18
andyroid wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you actually read beyond the headline? "They advised us to voluntarily remove the application, or they would be forced to remove it administratively." Which is like saying "He wasn't fired, he was just forced to resign".

You're missing the point, the app is in violation of the TOS, the fact that Google is in contact with the CyanogenMod team about the issues means that it's just an adjustment that is required for it to comply. There have been reports about people bricking their deviced with the app, requiring a proper warning would not be out of line.

Yes, and that's because your point is made up. The article makes no mention of them being asked to remove it while sorting things out or "add a disclaimer or something". While it's possible that's actually what happened, it's certainly not mentioned in the article. That's just speculation on your part - which I only called out as you accused fidotron of not reading beyond the headline.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by byjove »

g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

I'm not sure what "Microsoft from the 1990's" or the "Cold War" have to do with anything here.

There have been reports of users bricking their devices using the app (check the various support forums) they then try to swap them only to find out they have voided the warranty. Google is asking CyanogenMod to properly inform users about those risks.

Yet inevitably some on the comments here are cringe worthy

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by thezilch »

colechristensen wrote: post #30
devindotcom wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a TOS violation, nothing 90s-Microsoft about it.

Having a rule in the TOS doesn't make it right. And you are right, it's not 90s-Microsoft, it's worse. I'd say it's reasonable to believe that vast majority of average users _never_ acquire software outside of the walled gardens of Mirosoft, Google, and Apple's app stores. There sure are benefits to these walled gardens, but the loss of freedom to corporate whim should be a very serious concern to everyone here.

What freedoms were lost, exactly?

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by iamshs »

naner wrote: post #28

With the CM Installer in the play store many lay-people started using it, rendering their phones unusable[1] when any little issue cropped up. Also the process wasn't foolproof even for people capable of dealing with technical issues[2]. It isn't polished enough to go in the play store IMO. I don't know WTF the cyanogenmod team was thinking, non-technical people messing with CM will just lead to negative press. 1: ht…

But that is only one person whose phone is rendered unusable and not many as you insinuate. Same thing happened with PS4 launch when people reported issues, but statistic turned out to be http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy...

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by coldtea »

guelo wrote: post #26
g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

Microsoft didn't have an app store to censor in the 90s. You're thinking "Apple from the 2000s".

Or he isn't using the title THAT literarly, how about that?

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by shooper »

g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

The funny thing is that many of the same people you talk about were vehemently against UEFI Secure Boot on Windows 8 being on by default although it actually protects tens of millions of normal users from undetectable rootkits and bootkits because it made installing Linux slightly more difficult by needing to fiddle with the boot settings.

Now the reason being given for this removal is that it needs root(a lot of apps in the Play Store require root on Android, including ROM managers) and that it may brick a few devices, while ignoring the fact that for many who are stuck without security updates because of OEMs and carriers actually benefit from CM. Also wonder if this news was strategically timed before Thanksgiving when most people are on vacation traveling or busy with family.

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by BorisMelnik »

asdfaoeu wrote: post #4
fidotron wrote: post #3

At this point it really looks like Google have zero interest in seeing Android improve, beyond ensuring it stays superficially in line with iOS or Windows Phone, and will use whatever means necessary to ensure no one else does it while desperately trying to shoe horn irrelevant features into Chrome in an effort to reach feature parity. The clause about no forking with the SDK is probably going to rear its head in ang…

This is complete bullshit, they've improved the runtime and performance in the most recent version among other things. It's not at all surprising that this application was removed would you expect to see an install Ubuntu application in the Mac or Windows app stores?

no, but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw intall Windows or Mac app inside of a Ubuntu store :)

Re: CyanogenMod Installer Application Removed from Play Store

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Post by haberman »

g8oz wrote: post #15

It seems like no matter how blatantly Google carries out it's updated "Microsoft from the 1990's" act there will be a coterie of apologists on HN explaining away it's actions. The Cold War provided an appropriate label for this crowd: "useful idiots".

Let's recap.

Prior to today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system could be installed by using an app from Google's own app store (which sometimes bricked the phone).

After today, a community-developed fork of Google's open-source operating system can be installed by downloading the installer from the CM website.

This somehow makes Google like 90's Microsoft?

How many operating systems or web browsers did Microsoft open-source?

How many forks of their software did Microsoft tolerate?

Calling Google "90's Microsoft" is like calling Obama a socialist: it shows an utter lack of perspective of what a real socialist looks like. (If you want to see a real socialist, read about Kshama Sawant who was just elected to the Seattle City Council and wants to collectivize Amazon.com and Boeing).

I wouldn't even bother responding to stuff like this, but it's getting upvoted on HN which is depressing.

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