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Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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This is part of what we were trying to avoid while starting Lambda ( http://getlambda.com ). Do contract work to bootstrap your company, especially for technical founders. It's very much worth it to take 1-3 months off to freelance, make ~$20-50k, and keep your entire company.

I'd say making $20-50k for 1-3 months of freelancing may be just enough to make me want to ditch the startup altogether.

Yes, freelancing is very lucrative, if you're a good developer with the right skillset. People are generally willing to give up a lot of money in exchange for a steady income guarantee.

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"College" is in this case a proxy for "entrance to the socially-defined middle class". Parents in general (or at least the middle-class ones that would have money to lend/give for college) want their children to be at least as high in the social hierarchy as they are. Financing someone's business is much more of a mercenary decision; "do you run your own business" isn't really a social class marker in the way "did yo…

The purpose of borrowing from your parents is different, though. The transfer of wealth from parent to sybling via "paying for" college is (as you rightly point out) not really a loan, but a type of "grant". More specifically, its one that is both socially acceptable and tax beneficial[1]. The logic of Romney's positin on borrowing is that it is . That is to say, the parent has more information on the borrower than a…

Ref: 1: Assuming US law, the annual gift tax exemption is $14K (per [giver, recipient] pair, so a couple may gift $28K to a single recipient, or $56K to another couple), there's a process to combine 5 years' worth at once, and amounts over the annual exemption limit count against a lifetime exemption and then are taxable to the donor.

I can't fund any ordinary circumstance under which a gift would be taxable to the recipient.

http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-%26-Self-Empl...

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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>I’m deep into my second pivot, and haven’t yet delivered an exit two years after that initial money ... >I’m confident I will (deliver an exit) - I bust my ass every day - but I haven’t yet. That confident are we?

If I wasn't I wouldn't be doing it :)

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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>I’m deep into my second pivot, and haven’t yet delivered an exit two years after that initial money ... >I’m confident I will (deliver an exit) - I bust my ass every day - but I haven’t yet. That confident are we?

If I wasn't I wouldn't be doing it :)

I'm sure you are.

... but maybe you should consider scaling your expectations.

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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This is an anecdote, not a great insight, so feel free to skip:

When I was starting a small theater company in NYC with some friends we raised money for our first off-off-broadway ("broadway", "off" & "off-off" are a definition of seating capacity, btw, not geography) show, we turned to friends and family for our funding. This was very much the norm when you were just starting out. Usually these were small amounts, aiming to raise maybe 5-7 thousand dollars total, often even less, all depending on location & run of the show.

Anyway, we raised a few thousand, put on a great show of original one acts from writers and directors in our own company and it was shockingly well received. In the end, we actually managed to turn a few thousand dollars profit, which was less typical. In the meetings we had afterward with what to do with the money, everyone but myself and one other partner were blatantly treating it like a lottery win. A completely unencumbered windfall with which we could just buy beer for a year if we wanted. It was infuriating.

For me, and the other partner (who both left the company due to these and related issues soon after) we felt that while we may not owe that money back to the family that supported us, we at least owed it to them to keep it rolling. Instead, we rented out office space on 42nd street for ~6 months and never did anything more than use it as a storage unit. Most expensive storage unit you could find in the city.

Finally, the time had come to put up our next show, a full-length new work by one of our best writers, and with absolutely 0 compunction 7 of the partners enthusiastically recommended we return to the friends and family well. There was nothing left of our profit and no one cared. After the first show we had enough to mount the second, had we just set it aside for that purpose.

That was my first real experience in small business and unfortunately I was too young and angry to properly learn those lessons at the time. Took me another 8 years to really comprehend what we had done.

Edit: Faulty memory, updated for accuracy.

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that there's a world out there where you can just casually hit up Grammaw and Uncle Barry for twenty grand apiece.

It doesn't really favor the notion that the startup world is an egalitarian meritocracy.

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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I turned down friends who wanted to join our raise at Goalee for this exact reason. That, and I wasn't convinced that they were fully aware that you only invest in a small start-up what you can afford to lose. They guy was getting a doctorate in piano performance, and I didn't get the sense that they had a lot of extra in their lives (especially considering their three kids).

Best decision I ever made.

Re: Friends and Family Funding and Why I'm Dreading Thanksgiving

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post #8

This is part of what we were trying to avoid while starting Lambda ( http://getlambda.com ). Do contract work to bootstrap your company, especially for technical founders. It's very much worth it to take 1-3 months off to freelance, make ~$20-50k, and keep your entire company.

If you're young and not in an area where people are used to paying market rates for development work (read: the midwest), doing contracting work is not a silver bullet.
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