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UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by Guvante »

mogrim wrote: post #27
sp332 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know for slander, in the USA you're allowed to say pretty much anything as long as it's true. The UK has much stricter laws against defamation. (In the US, the victim might sue for damages, but that's not the same as criminal charges.)

Even in the UK the truth is a valid defense against a libel case. The main difference is that the burden of proof is put on the alleged libeller, who has to prove s/he hasn't committed libel, rather than on the person who has supposedly been libelled.

IIRC the US requires that you prove the libeller knew it was false as well.

Basically if you act on good faith you are clear, even it isn't true. (Note that there are requirements that you took some measures to verify the legitimacy depending on your position).

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by supermatt »

lmorris13 wrote: post #39

Are there any technical details as to how this is going to be achieved yet? Things like pirate bay are supposed to be blocked by ISPs but you can access it just fine if you're using Google DNS.

Not with BT!

  MBP:~ matt$ nslookup piratebay.sx
  Server:		8.8.8.8
  Address:	8.8.8.8#53

  Non-authoritative answer:
  Name:	piratebay.sx
  Address: 194.71.107.27

  MBP:~ matt$ curl -H "Host: piratebay.sx" 194.71.107.27
  
  
  Message
  
  
 Error – Site blocked

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by lmorris13 »

supermatt wrote: post #44
lmorris13 wrote: post #39

Are there any technical details as to how this is going to be achieved yet? Things like pirate bay are supposed to be blocked by ISPs but you can access it just fine if you're using Google DNS.

Not with BT! MBP:~ matt$ nslookup piratebay.sx Server: 8.8.8.8 Address: 8.8.8.8#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: piratebay.sx Address: 194.71.107.27 MBP:~ matt$ curl -H "Host: piratebay.sx" 194.71.107.27 Message Error – Site blocked

I'm on BT too - pirateproxy didn't work until I changed to Google DNS:

nslookup pirateproxy.net Server: google-public-dns-a.google.com Address: 8.8.8.8

Non-authoritative answer: Name: pirateproxy.net Addresses: 78.138.99.186 91.236.116.37 78.138.99.189

Having said that, piratebay.sx says blocked regardless what I use.

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

#46

Post by polymatter »

mogrim wrote: post #27
sp332 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know for slander, in the USA you're allowed to say pretty much anything as long as it's true. The UK has much stricter laws against defamation. (In the US, the victim might sue for damages, but that's not the same as criminal charges.)

Even in the UK the truth is a valid defense against a libel case. The main difference is that the burden of proof is put on the alleged libeller, who has to prove s/he hasn't committed libel, rather than on the person who has supposedly been libelled.

plus in the UK, normally the loser pays for all costs including damages making it incredibly expensive to lose.

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by rollo_tommasi »

DanBC wrote: post #38
rollo_tommasi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that in the United Kingdom, you can already be fined or jailed for tweeting. Neither of these would be criminally actionable offenses in the US, and the first one especially would be clearly protected political speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828 http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fab...

People are denied entry to the US because they've made a stupid tweet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312 People are arrested for stupid youtube videos http://www.dailydot.com/news/cameron-dambrosio-boston-bomb-t... etc etc

There is a huge degree of difference between being denied entry to a foreign country and having punitive action taken against you by the government.

Your second case is about a guy who was thought to be making immediate threats, rather than simply tweeting something offensive, and he was released after the grand jury refused to indict him on free speech grounds:

http://www.ibtimes.com/cameron-dambrosio-set-free-massachuse...

This is not even a false equivalency, etc. etc.

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

#48

Post by EpicEng »

DanBC wrote: post #38
rollo_tommasi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that in the United Kingdom, you can already be fined or jailed for tweeting. Neither of these would be criminally actionable offenses in the US, and the first one especially would be clearly protected political speech: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19883828 http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/mar/27/student-jailed-fab...

People are denied entry to the US because they've made a stupid tweet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312 People are arrested for stupid youtube videos http://www.dailydot.com/news/cameron-dambrosio-boston-bomb-t... etc etc

Our constitution obviously only protects citizens... Not sure what your point is.

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

EpicEng wrote: post #48
DanBC wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are denied entry to the US because they've made a stupid tweet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312 People are arrested for stupid youtube videos http://www.dailydot.com/news/cameron-dambrosio-boston-bomb-t... etc etc

Our constitution obviously only protects citizens... Not sure what your point is.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see the word citizen in there at all. While the courts generally agree that it only applies to citizens, it is definitely not obvious.

Re: UK porn filter to also block "extremist narrative"?

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Post by newnewnew »

viraptor wrote: post #20
Piskvorrr wrote: post #6

...and the definition of "extremist" is defined by...? (And of course, it will eventually include "anyone opposed to the Great Firewall of Chi^H^H^H^H Britain, as its own continued existence becomes the main purpose of such tools)

This may provide some context: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering... (apologies for linking to dailymail, I couldn't find a better article about it). With events like this you can understand where the ideas of blocking extremism come from.

Seems like more of an argument for rethinking the immigration policy rather than stifle the internet throughout your entire country.
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