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Andrea Rossi has started commercializing ECAT nuclear fusion devices

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Re: Andrea Rossi has started commercializing ECAT nuclear fusion devices

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Common sense, unless that term is no longer applicable to modern times. If this were something real, we would be hearing about Rossi's valiant efforts to secure patent protection, not customers.

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And he has obviously failed, and for a very good reason -- he cannot back up his claims. Patents in this realm (not in software) require scientific evidence.

Only a perfect fool would try to market a breakthrough device in advance of securing patent protection. So the explanation is obvious -- the device doesn't perform as claimed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Rossi_%28entrepreneur%29

"In January 2011 Andrea Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi claimed to have successfully demonstrated commercially viable cold fusion in a device called an Energy Catalyzer, although in an interview Rossi claimed that his Energy Catalyzer does not work on the basis of cold fusion, but weak [force] nuclear reactions.[15] The international patent application received an unfavorable international preliminary report on patentability because it seemed to "offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories" and to overcome this problem the application should have contained either experimental evidence or a firm theoretical basis in current scientific theories.[16] Journalists were not allowed to examine the core of the reactor, and there is uncertainty about the viability of the invention.[17]"

Re: Andrea Rossi has started commercializing ECAT nuclear fusion devices

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Common sense, unless that term is no longer applicable to modern times. If this were something real, we would be hearing about Rossi's valiant efforts to secure patent protection, not customers.

It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Also, Rossi has applied for a patent and it was partially rejected. http://phys.org/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-... Keep in mind, I still think this is likely B.S., but let's evaluate it based on what we know.

> It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW.

Yes, speaking of pulling numbers out of thin air. If this were really a cold fusion device, no continuous input power would be required -- the device could be started once using an impulse of power, then it would become self-sustaining using its own generated energy -- no further input power would be required.

Look at the claims:

* Input power required: 200KW

* Claimed output power: 1 MW

Why isn't 200 KW of the 1 MW output power used to sustain the reaction? What's wrong with this picture? Only someone with no understanding of physics would post this "fact sheet".

Re: Andrea Rossi has started commercializing ECAT nuclear fusion devices

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> The ECAT 1MW plant contains 106 smaller ECAT units mounted in a shipping container. Valve for filling the Hydrogen is on the front of each unit, together with electrical connection to the immersion heater used to start the reaction. Not mentioned in the article is that the "immersion heater" required power -- to sustain the cold fusion reaction, of course -- totals just over 1 MW continuous. > Current delivery time…

> Not mentioned in the article is that the "immersion heater" required power The tech data page specifies 200kW input power

The first shipping generators will have an unfortunate bug that caps the output at approximately one-fifth of maximum capacity. The company will promise that, as soon as the bug is fixed and some new parts are installed, the machines will deliver the promised 1 MW.

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It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Also, Rossi has applied for a patent and it was partially rejected. http://phys.org/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-... Keep in mind, I still think this is likely B.S., but let's evaluate it based on what we know.

> It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Yes, speaking of pulling numbers out of thin air. If this were really a cold fusion device, no continuous input power would be required -- the device could be started once using an impulse of power, then it would become self-sustaining using its own generated energy -- no further input power would be required. Look at the claims: *…

The 1 MW output is in heat, not electricity.

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You just need a 200 kW power outlet in the disaster zone (According to their technical data sheet).

A 200kW generator can fit on a small trailer. It's pretty common in the electrical generation field to use smaller generators to kick-start successively larger generators. That's how conventional hydro and nuclear plants must be started. http://www.kohlerpower.com/rental/detail.htm?sectionNumber=2...

You're missing the point that, if the claims were real, 200 KW of the claimed output power of 1 MW cold be used to sustain the reaction, thus removing the input power requirement. This kind of "fact sheet" can only persuade people who don't understand physics.

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> It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Yes, speaking of pulling numbers out of thin air. If this were really a cold fusion device, no continuous input power would be required -- the device could be started once using an impulse of power, then it would become self-sustaining using its own generated energy -- no further input power would be required. Look at the claims: *…

The 1 MW output is in heat, not electricity.

So is the required input power! The input power is required in order to generate heat to initiate the reaction, and the output power is heat. In any case, it would be child's play to use a thermoelectric converter to efficiently generate electricity from the vast claimed heat output.

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It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Also, Rossi has applied for a patent and it was partially rejected. http://phys.org/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-... Keep in mind, I still think this is likely B.S., but let's evaluate it based on what we know.

> It's not "common sense" to pull a number out of thin air. The data sheet says 200kW. Yes, speaking of pulling numbers out of thin air. If this were really a cold fusion device, no continuous input power would be required -- the device could be started once using an impulse of power, then it would become self-sustaining using its own generated energy -- no further input power would be required. Look at the claims: *…

I'm not swayed by the fact sheet. I understand physics. I also know enough to know that we don't really know shit. Things happen that prove earlier notions to be wrong. It used to be that we all KNEW that the Earth was flat, and that it was the center of the universe too. There could be something going on here that we don't understand. I'm not saying that's what's happening, but I want to attack his claims ONLY by measurables.

All I am saying is let's prove his claims to be bullshit _by measurement_. Otherwise we're doing nothing but putting out more hot air than this generator does.

Re: Andrea Rossi has started commercializing ECAT nuclear fusion devices

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The 1 MW output is in heat, not electricity.

So is the required input power! The input power is required in order to generate heat to initiate the reaction, and the output power is heat. In any case, it would be child's play to use a thermoelectric converter to efficiently generate electricity from the vast claimed heat output.

I thought that part was just to start the reaction at first? Does it require 200kW all the time?
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