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Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

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Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

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Post by kolbe »

This is one of the more disheartening polls I've seen. It speaks to a new, disturbing dynamic in our social order where people do not defend their beliefs with any sort of force or passion.

I had no clue so many people shared in my belief that Snowden has done something great. I figured the media had corrupted most of the people into thinking he'd done something deplorable, because no one has been taking to the streets or to the polls or to the anything to demand changes based on his revelations.

Past generations would have, but that's not the case today. We think he's great. We just don't care to actually support him.

Historically, I feel like there was a notion that someone was "too popular to execute." But, even though the vast majority appear to support Snowden so much that they declare him POY, I don't think we'd do a thing if the US raided his home in Russia and put a bullet in him. We'd be mad, and we'd write blog posts about it, and maybe some people would DDoS attack a website or send a bunch of pizzas to John Kerry, but there would be no political turnover. There would be no justice on Snowden's behalf. At best, it would be like Guantanamo, where some new POTUS candidate promises change so we elect him, then does absolutely nothing. And we'd happily just not care.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#92

Post by gk1 »

Thrymr wrote: post #80
Jgrubb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It throws that up after you vote, presumably to make you broadcast this very important poll to the universe of rapt followers we all have. I didn't get the impression you actually have to do that to vote, though, since it pops up afterward. It at least gave me the impression that I voted even though I dismissed it.

The popup says "Please log in to ensure your vote is counted." The Twitter auth also includes the ability to post tweets for you, although the popup says "We won’t post anything without your permission." Didn't I just give them permission if I authorize them to use my account? No thanks.

Twitter > Settings > Apps > Revoke Access

You can just do that right after you vote.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#93

Post by ChikkaChiChi »

yen223 wrote: post #77
bennyg wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a streak of like 5 or 6 in a row where I was dumbfounded at the choices. I feel like they're being way too objective here and including people who are absolutely terrible.

Hitler and Stalin were each a Times Person of the Year. They're selecting important people, not benevolent ones. At least, in theory.

Important in a historical context. In the grand scheme of things giving Zuckerberg the award was like giving President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize; Maybe OK later, but a little early.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#95

Post by user24 »

martincmartin wrote: post #89
user24 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hitler was TIME's "Man of the Year" in 1938. - after the Munich Agreement wherein Hitler agreed peace with Chamberlain. Ok he reneged, but that's not the point.

> Ok he reneged, but that's not the point. The article isn't celebrating peace, it's very negative about Hitler. The cover for that issue shows people being tortured. Edit: you can read it here. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539,...

Then I am wrong.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#97

Post by pmorici »

kolbe wrote: post #91

This is one of the more disheartening polls I've seen. It speaks to a new, disturbing dynamic in our social order where people do not defend their beliefs with any sort of force or passion. I had no clue so many people shared in my belief that Snowden has done something great. I figured the media had corrupted most of the people into thinking he'd done something deplorable, because no one has been taking to the stree…

If you rely on Internet polls to deduce what the sentiment of the country is then Snowden is an American hero, Ron Paul should be president, and there would be no more software patents.

That is to say that Internet polls grossly over represent certain minority beliefs.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#98

Post by knodi »

I don't think Edward Snowden should be person of the year. Not because I don't think he did something important because he did. I truly think what he did was the right thing. But he needs to stand trial in the US so the we the people can see how extreme our government has become.

He needs to be like batman, sacrifice his mind, body and freedom for a cause that people will remember him for.

But he's in Russia and he's never coming back to the US so this will be a on going thing for years even decades where no one but few people will remember him and our blight.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

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Post by Thrymr »

gk1 wrote: post #92
Thrymr wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The popup says "Please log in to ensure your vote is counted." The Twitter auth also includes the ability to post tweets for you, although the popup says "We won’t post anything without your permission." Didn't I just give them permission if I authorize them to use my account? No thanks.

Twitter > Settings > Apps > Revoke Access You can just do that right after you vote.

Yeah, fuck that. Voting in a meaningless online poll isn't important enough for me to grant unlimited access to anyone, for however short a time.

Re: Vote Now: Who Should Be Time's Person of the Year? Edward Snowden

#100

Post by 3JPLW »

knodi wrote: post #98

I don't think Edward Snowden should be person of the year. Not because I don't think he did something important because he did. I truly think what he did was the right thing. But he needs to stand trial in the US so the we the people can see how extreme our government has become. He needs to be like batman, sacrifice his mind, body and freedom for a cause that people will remember him for. But he's in Russia and he's…

Why do you think that excludes him from being the person of the year? I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.
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