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End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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Senators have to go to the press to try to stop the government from doing what clearly breaks the law -- the Constitution, no less -- using up billions of taxpayer funds and undermines American business for no clear benefit.

Conventional wisdom says the Cold War was between the doctrines of Capitalism and Communism and that the doctrine of Capitalism won.

It doesn't look like that view was right.

The doctrine of the KGB and Stasi is winning over both of them.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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And what about the remaining 7 billion law-abiding souls on the planet? I resonate with the intent of this article but how come protecting only an Americans' privacy be of concern to this voice on NYT? I believe this approach is not only insular (apart from being stupid) but also destined to fail.

If I were to run dragnet, I'd accept protecting the interest and privacy of all Americans back home, but strike a deal with GCHQ or some other Government agency and provide them with all the tools and tech to snoop on my fellow citizens. No legal hassles, no constitutional violation. Cost? Well that could be worked out given the advantage the data gives me to remain in power.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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The thing about the NSA dragnet is that if the NSA wasn't doing it, then corporations would (are) doing it. You can't stop technology from moving forward. Someone is going to be sniffing your packets now until the end of time.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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The thing about the NSA dragnet is that if the NSA wasn't doing it, then corporations would (are) doing it. You can't stop technology from moving forward. Someone is going to be sniffing your packets now until the end of time.

It's much easier to opt out of corporate sniffing. A Linux laptop with the OS booted from a live-cd comes to mind.. and of course not engaging in all these web-services helps.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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Senators have to go to the press to try to stop the government from doing what clearly breaks the law -- the Constitution, no less -- using up billions of taxpayer funds and undermines American business for no clear benefit. Conventional wisdom says the Cold War was between the doctrines of Capitalism and Communism and that the doctrine of Capitalism won. It doesn't look like that view was right. The doctrine of the…

Can you justify your claim that a bulk collection of phone records "clearly" violates the Constitution? I don't think the jurisprudence is so obviously on your side there.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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The thing about the NSA dragnet is that if the NSA wasn't doing it, then corporations would (are) doing it. You can't stop technology from moving forward. Someone is going to be sniffing your packets now until the end of time.

It's much easier to opt out of corporate sniffing. A Linux laptop with the OS booted from a live-cd comes to mind.. and of course not engaging in all these web-services helps.

How does booting Linux from a live CD make your packets invulnerable to sniffing? Also, that's not a real solution, even if it did work.

Re: End the N.S.A. Dragnet, Now

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> "Our first priority is to keep Americans safe from the threat of terrorism."

Uh, no. The first job of a good, decent government is protect the rights of its citizens. It now seems that the first job of a citizen is protect him/herself from the government.

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