We Should Ditch Nginx • Hacker News Board

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

#21

Post by DigitalSea » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:02 AM UTC

I can't tell if this post is serious or not (the domain name throws me off a little). I use NGINX myself, but I am also aware that Apache is playing catchup quite quickly as well and Apache 5.4 is a decent version of the popular open source server.

Use whatever fits your needs, just because it didn't fit your needs doesn't mean you should go forcing your opinion upon others. Many people including myself have had nothing but great experiences using NGINX and I don't actually see any real argument here to stop using NGINX.

Based on the tone of the article I get the kind of vibe that the author has the "I liked this band before they became mainstream" mentality about software. NGINX deserves all of the money they can get, they have a great product that is worth paying for and it's quite usuable without paying a cent, so I don't understand what there is to complain about.

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

#22

Post by thepicard » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:03 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #17

Given the name of the blog (and how it's written), I assume this is meant to be satire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

"Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism."

Edit: excerpt

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by jacques_chester » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:04 AM UTC

This blog post demonstrates why the syslog feature is ideal for segmenting Nginx's market.

Almost nobody cares about it, except the sort of place doing > tens of millions of requests per day. The sort of place that might have some money and the scale to realise that a few thousand bucks is cheaper than a bunch of engineer time.

It's a good case study in smart pricing.

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by DigitalSea » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:04 AM UTC

ridruejo wrote: post #15

Apache 2.4 with event MPM should give you comparable performance to nginx

Performance is pretty good in Apache 2.4, but compare RAM usage alongside NGINX and you'll notice that NGINX's event based threads approach takes a big dump all over Apache's separate process lets consume every bit of available RAM the server has until it starts throwing errors and filling log files. Apache is getting better, but it's not really on par with NGINX (yet, but it will be).

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by trimbo » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:05 AM UTC

gkoberger wrote: post #17

Given the name of the blog (and how it's written), I assume this is meant to be satire?

It is not in terms of the content:

"Logging to syslog is available as part of our commercial subscription only."

http://nginx.org/en/docs/ngx_core_module.html#error_log

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by mythz » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:05 AM UTC

Sigh, another example of the worst thing about OSS - privileged, self-entitled users thinking the world owes them something.

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by cbsmith » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:05 AM UTC

Really, it isn't too hard to patch the logging in nginx and/or have a named pipe that writes to syslog. My team made a patch to have it log to UDP multicast, and it wasn't too bad. If you're really pissed at the nginx guys, contribute the patch back.

Sure, I quibble with their approach to a commercial model, but I really think this is a case of "me thinks she doth protest too much" in both the literal and implied meaning.

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by wereHamster » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:07 AM UTC

Why not log into a pipe where syslog-ng listens on the other end?

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

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Post by cassianoaquino » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:07 AM UTC

why not pointing access_log/error_log to fifos and use rsyslog/syslog-ng to read direct from it?

Re: We Should Ditch Nginx

#30

Post by Semiapies » Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 5:12 AM UTC

ars_technician wrote: post #11

secstate wrote: post #8

Sigh. FOSS and NGINX as an example of FOSS have given us so much. If direct to syslog logging is what you're after, why not use Apache? As many people have pointed out before, Apache can certainly be hold a candle to NGINX if you put the time into tuning it. If you're expecting Black Friday traffic of this magnitude, and you haven't spent the last two months planning and load testing for it, you are either lazy or un…

>No one is going to dump NGINX over this. His post seems to contradict that. People will dump products for very trivial reasons if marketed correctly.

Reading this post, I'd assume that this time next year, if the company is still there and this guy still has this job, they'll still be using nginx. Someone dropping this sort of frustrated blog post about how his company should dump it probably doesn't have the authority to make that call or the motivation and time to make it happen if he does.

The whole tone of the blog post is passive-aggressive, whether directed at the makers of nginx (for wanting to get paid), or at the end, towards some hypothetical people who take it upon themselves to build a fork that suits all his needs (despite his not actually needing such a fork). Such a tone suggests that he feels powerless.