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How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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post #13

I know Uber drivers count driving/car costs as business expenses for a tax write off. Something to think about...

Lyft drivers could surely benefit from the tax deductions as well. I assume they report their Lyft payments to the IRS? This complicates the "how much they earn" formula further.

Lyft sends 1099(-K, presumably)s to drivers who make over $20k from 200+ transactions a year. This is the same reporting system used by Stripe and Paypal. (I have lots lying around.)

It would be exceptionally unwise to fail to report income which has been 1099-ed to you, and very unwise to fail to report substantial income merely because one does not have a corresponding 1099 for it, because (particularly in the case where one party has all the information required to reconstruct your income and that one party can simultaneously uncover millions of dollars of under-reporting) audits exist.

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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I'm going to agree with the majority here and say it's probably a bad idea to buy a car just to do Lyft.

However, I wonder if there are any arbitrage opportunities by combining Lyft with something like Flightcar (where you don't own the vehicle).

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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Nice feedback on my blog post, y'all. Thanks. Estimating exactly how much a driver receives from Lyft, versus that driver's expenses, is really difficult. So I took some shortcuts with easily searchable published data and ended up with just $3.45/hour. In a G+ discussion it came up that if you could externalize most ownership expenses (e.g. driving your dad's car), it would be reasonable to get up to $17/hour with all my other estimates being the same.

In a best-case scenario you'd be picking up someone whose destination is where you were already headed, in which case your 80% of the payment would be pure profit. If you drove that person for a full hour, to a place where you were already headed, and they paid you $43.75, then you really would get that $35/hour that Lyft advertises for drivers.

In the end, these estimates are hard. Lyft themselves probably have real good data on the matter. Maybe they'll give us some real numbers, and show us how they can be cheaper than cabs while simultaneously (if their advertising for drivers is to be believed) paying their drivers a lot more than typical cabbies.

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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1. In most places it is illegal to provide transport for a fee without a special state-provided license.

2. There are also special legal requirements from the driver, e.g. taxi drivers license.

3. Insurance requirements are different and order of magnitude higher for vehicles that provide such transport.

4. In case of accidents/fatalities or police stops, who bears responsibility/liability? The car owner, the company, the insurer, all of the above? How much danger of arrest/confiscation/huge fines is the driver in? Does lyft indemnify their business partners against such incidents?

5. The drivers earnings should be the least concern for folks who sign up for this scheme

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

#37

It is also possible to drive a used car, which can drastically lower the initial and operating expenses. This way, even "luxury" cars are a viable option to drive. Also, most people tip their drivers, which is basically tax-free income (at least in Germany).

Tips are taxable income in the US.

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

#38
This is poor analysis. The writer takes an artificially high number ($9100), divides it by an artificially low number (12,000) and then multiplies it by an artificially high number (30 mph) resulting in just about the highest number possible.

Take a $15,000 car with a nice warranty and good mileage. $3 or so per hour for gas. $200/month for registration, insurance, etc. Maybe you'd get to $10 and hour in costs, but I doubt it. And the car would last for 10 years at least.

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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For people already with a car, the variable costs of driving (maintenance, fuel, etc.) is usually 25-45 cents (lower end is a economy car getting 30mpg city, higher end is a less fuel-efficient, less reliable car). Using 35c/mile, and an average urban driving speed, that's $5.25/hour.

Even idling half the time, that's 17.50-5.25=$12.25, better than many pizza delivery / the average urban courier rate. Delivery drivers often get far less than $35 while having to pay their own vehicle costs.

The calculus changes a lot just based on that single number, average speed. I'm sure the $35/hr number would be far higher if everyone was going on freeways between trips and racking up the miles like crazy (assuming Lyft incorporates distance into its pricing heavily)

Re: How much does a Lyft driver earn?

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post #29

Oh give me a break. He's basing his entire analysis on the assumption that it costs $22.80/hr to operate a vehicle. They way he comes up with that is by including the up-front cost of the vehicle. That's not quite the right logic. Most people do not go out and purchase a vehicle just to become a Lyft drivers. Certainly that's not what you should do. A better economic analysis is to look at Lyft as a way to make your…

> Most people do not go out and purchase a vehicle just to become a Lyft drivers.

But that's a likely direction.

And if you're trying to make much money from Lyft, you're probably driving it much more for Lyft than for yourself already.

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