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Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by polshaw »

tluyben2 wrote: post #11
ksec wrote: post #5

This is similar offering to SuperMicro 's MicroCloud. Except with ARM instead of x86. As much as i love ARM and want them to succeed. I dont think there are any advantage of using ARM in Server apart from Cost. And Since ARM is still vastly under power for many Web Server Operation its time just isn't here. May be two - three years later when 64Bit ARM with EightCore Chip costing less then $50 dollars. But even so In…

I don't know about servers (only use/used Xeon x86) and i'm not sure it's different software or if it's Win vs Lin, but I have never touched anything saying Atom on the package being remotely useful for anything while I have a lot of very useful ARM devices. When people coming up to me saying 'I have a new laptop' and then it has an Atom sticker on the front, I know what's going to happen; they'll bring it back after…

FYI (re: consumer Atom) Intel have just started taking Atom seriously again, after majorly neglecting it for the previous 5 years. The current Silvermont/Bay Trail is twice as fast as the last, bringing C2D+ performance (eg 2010 MBA) with tablet thermals and battery life. It will now be on Intel's primary process too, so the days of Atom universally sucking are over (thanks ARM).

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by tluyben2 »

ksec wrote: post #13
tluyben2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about servers (only use/used Xeon x86) and i'm not sure it's different software or if it's Win vs Lin, but I have never touched anything saying Atom on the package being remotely useful for anything while I have a lot of very useful ARM devices. When people coming up to me saying 'I have a new laptop' and then it has an Atom sticker on the front, I know what's going to happen; they'll bring it back after…

Well for one I dont see any price advantage of ARM compared to Intel. ( In this area ) 8 Core Atoms are Cheap enough. The Atom you are referring to are First Gen Netbook Atoms. Which are indeed very bad without any serious software optimization. The Atom i am referring to is the newest Avoton C2750. Which will soon be available in the OVH new brand SYS range. Assuming every thing else stays the same, Memory, SSD/HDD,…

Yes, that makes sense. And first gen; the current ones for sale in shops are still the first gen? The laptops I see brand new in shops, and they are not netbooks, are unusable to me. Whatever you do beyond opening 1 single window breaks it completely (under Windows anyway). Maybe those are older, I don't know, but I think they are not first gen?

I hope that'll change as you say because I love the price ;)

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by tluyben2 »

polshaw wrote: post #21
tluyben2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about servers (only use/used Xeon x86) and i'm not sure it's different software or if it's Win vs Lin, but I have never touched anything saying Atom on the package being remotely useful for anything while I have a lot of very useful ARM devices. When people coming up to me saying 'I have a new laptop' and then it has an Atom sticker on the front, I know what's going to happen; they'll bring it back after…

FYI (re: consumer Atom) Intel have just started taking Atom seriously again, after majorly neglecting it for the previous 5 years. The current Silvermont/Bay Trail is twice as fast as the last, bringing C2D+ performance (eg 2010 MBA) with tablet thermals and battery life. It will now be on Intel's primary process too, so the days of Atom universally sucking are over (thanks ARM).

Offtopic; Can you point me to a laptop with that? I use a 2010 MBA all the time and if I could get something for the price of an atom with that performance...

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by rwmj »

wtracy wrote: post #17

Are there any ARM servers currently available to Normal People? I got excited when I first saw the headline because the last time I looked I didn't see anything available in the hobbyist/small business price range.

No. Also there is no 64 bit ARM hardware available to anyone (if you ignore the extremely locked-down iPhone 5S). I have used a bunch of ARM servers, but unfortunately I'm under NDA.

However there is interesting hackable ARM hardware around. I would recommend looking at the CubieTruck, Mele A1000G Quad (make sure it's the "Quad" variant), and possibly the ODROID-XU. I write about these and others on my blog (https://rwmj.wordpress.com/)

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by leoc »

thu wrote: post #3
rbanffy wrote: post #2

I couldn't find anything on pricing and availability, but, despite my enthusiasm for Windows-proof servers, I am not sure if having a lot of discrete servers in a 3U enclosure is better than having a lot of containers running on, say, 3 1U servers. Containers (or even VMs) are much more manageable than 48 physically distinct machines (to say nothing of having 4 on each board, meaning an upgrade or defect on one means…

It is written "there is no general availability" (even if they are shipping to selected partners).

From what I recall hearing, the initial demand for ARM "micro-servers" has been from big, um, Facebook-ish operations for whom cost is king rather than smaller, enterprisey places where versatility and manageability are higher priorities. That would seem to fit with the limited availability.

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by ksec »

tluyben2 wrote: post #22
ksec wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well for one I dont see any price advantage of ARM compared to Intel. ( In this area ) 8 Core Atoms are Cheap enough. The Atom you are referring to are First Gen Netbook Atoms. Which are indeed very bad without any serious software optimization. The Atom i am referring to is the newest Avoton C2750. Which will soon be available in the OVH new brand SYS range. Assuming every thing else stays the same, Memory, SSD/HDD,…

Yes, that makes sense. And first gen; the current ones for sale in shops are still the first gen? The laptops I see brand new in shops, and they are not netbooks, are unusable to me. Whatever you do beyond opening 1 single window breaks it completely (under Windows anyway). Maybe those are older, I don't know, but I think they are not first gen? I hope that'll change as you say because I love the price ;)

As far as I know, (@everyone, Do correct me if i am wrong ) most of those are stocks left overs or 1st gen design with smaller node. Which basically means they still sucks. And without an SSD ( I/O bottleneck ) those laptop will suck even more. Since the PC industry has absolutely zero care on user experience they dont want to put a costly SSD into a Atom Notebook.

And Why would anyone want one when a Celeron or Pentium is only $20 bucks more expensive but perform a lot faster still?

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by dham »

Maybe I'm not opened minded enough, but I just don't believe the future is ARM on the desktop/server. I believe the future is x86 on the phone. I feel like it's less time until Intel gets the power correct as opposed to ARM getting the speed.

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by tbyehl »

tluyben2 wrote: post #23
polshaw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI (re: consumer Atom) Intel have just started taking Atom seriously again, after majorly neglecting it for the previous 5 years. The current Silvermont/Bay Trail is twice as fast as the last, bringing C2D+ performance (eg 2010 MBA) with tablet thermals and battery life. It will now be on Intel's primary process too, so the days of Atom universally sucking are over (thanks ARM).

Offtopic; Can you point me to a laptop with that? I use a 2010 MBA all the time and if I could get something for the price of an atom with that performance...

A bunch of tablets are out with the new chips, I'm typing this on a Dell Venue 8 Pro. Acer or ASUS have a 10" model with a keyboard dock to make a proper clamshell.

Re: Copper enables the ARM server ecosystem

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Post by ptx » 

  > What is ARM?
  > An advanced RISC machine (ARM) server employs small,
  > low-power ARM processors, typically deployed as
  > systems on a chip (SoC) to reduce space, power consumption
  > and cost.
This looks like a perfect example of the kind of violation a trademark owner is required to pursue to protect the trademark: Dell uses "ARM server" here to mean "a server that is RISC-based and advanced" rather than "a server [based on tech] of the brand ARM from ARM Ltd."
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