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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by 3825 »

sliverstorm wrote: post #73
gw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it and continue on with your life. You and I have our beliefs about sexuality, and perhaps any one woman showing up on this website could elect to ignore it. But it's quite clear that Hunter was causing women real harm & suffering, regardless what your or my beliefs about sexuality are. Particularly considering he got people fired.…

> Particularly considering he got people fired.

Perhaps we need to look at this from a different angle. Why can employers fire me for having a naked picture taken? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault firing as well.

I think the comment was talking about changing social attitude more than anything else if I read it right. If we make it normal to have nude pictures on the Internet, then these sites will automatically lose steam.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by yummyfajitas »

3825 wrote: post #151
sliverstorm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it and continue on with your life. You and I have our beliefs about sexuality, and perhaps any one woman showing up on this website could elect to ignore it. But it's quite clear that Hunter was causing women real harm & suffering, regardless what your or my beliefs about sexuality are. Particularly considering he got people fired.…

> Particularly considering he got people fired. Perhaps we need to look at this from a different angle. Why can employers fire me for having a naked picture taken? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault firing as well. I think the comment was talking about changing social attitude more than anything else if I read it right. If we make it normal to have nude pictures on the Internet, then these sites will automatically…

Why can employers fire me for having a naked picture taken? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault firing as well.

Why can people choose not to purchase from Chick-a-Fil because they dislike the anti-gay opinions of the owner? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault failure to purchase chicken as well.

Meanwhile, back in a free society, people are allowed to freely associate with whoever they choose even if we disagree with their opinions.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by marvin »

mercurial wrote: post #143
mistercow wrote: post #109

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I find it hard to even muster anger at Moore and his followers. Moore is likely a psychopath, his followers are psychopaths and/or 13-year-olds, and it's hard for me to see those organisms as anything but a devastating force of nature. They need to be stopped from hurting people, but my emotional response to them is much like my response to malaria or HIV. No, the people who make me angry are the ones like that princ…

Moore certainly seems in serious need of psychological help. But the victim-blaming reaction of the other protagonists (the principal, the local police department...) is just terrible. Clearly, Moore and his followers are not the only ones with a clear lack of empathy. What I'm surprised about is that there did not seem to be any consequence to his lack of response to a DMCA takedown notice. Is this not enforceable s…

Yes. The word "vitim blaming" gets thrown around a lot and used in places where it isn't appropriate, but the (female, no less!) police officer's reaction was a textbook example.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by wisty »

tommorris wrote: post #146
barry-cotter wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ireland has been a Christian country since the 800s or thereabouts. It legalised contraception sometime in the 80s, divorce in the 90s and will have gay marriage some time this decade. None of these things are compatible with Christianity as it has been understood for most of its existence. Culture can move very fast. In 100 years if there's anyone close enough to look at us as people rather than precursors they will…

And what moved the culture? Legislation. The very same legislation that the Internet libertarian crew who tell us to "change the culture rather than using the men with guns" generally oppose. So, yeah, that kind of proves the point.

And what moved the legislation? Culture.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by DanBC »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #152
3825 wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Particularly considering he got people fired. Perhaps we need to look at this from a different angle. Why can employers fire me for having a naked picture taken? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault firing as well. I think the comment was talking about changing social attitude more than anything else if I read it right. If we make it normal to have nude pictures on the Internet, then these sites will automatically…

Why can employers fire me for having a naked picture taken? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault firing as well. Why can people choose not to purchase from Chick-a-Fil because they dislike the anti-gay opinions of the owner? Perhaps we need to roll back no-fault failure to purchase chicken as well. Meanwhile, back in a free society, people are allowed to freely associate with whoever they choose even if we disagree…

> Meanwhile, back in a free society, people are allowed to freely associate with whoever they choose even if we disagree with their opinions.

Except employers are not free to hire and fire, even in weird societies where that's seen as a good idea. They're not allowed to discriminate against people with protected characteristics.

In this situation it's possible the employers are vulnerable to sexual discrimination lawsuit, because revenge porn websites target mostly women.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by jusben1369 »

marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

This is largely a useless point though. All societies have a relative perspective around shame and nudity. Given that relativity claiming one to be too conservative or too liberal is a useless exercise. What matters here is that this is done by people to people within the same culture and is thus very distasteful.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by marvin »

nsxwolf wrote: post #19
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

So would you say that Hunter Moore is really a hero? Helping us all get over our hang ups wether we like it or not?

He's certainly putting the issue on the agenda by highlighting the ridiculousness of these cultural hangups. It's more like a very big, malicious security exploit than an act of heroism, I think.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Kliment »

brokenparser wrote: post #145
michaelochurch wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be, or he could have made it up. Source: your resident trolling expert. (There are two ways to parse that.)

your raisin rolling expert? you reside nt roll in gex per t? This doesn't make sense, in what other language besides English would this be parsable?

That the poster is expert at trolling, that is, very accomplished as a troll OR that the poster is an expert in understanding trolls and can thus speak with authority about them.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by marvin »

_bfhp wrote: post #59
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

America is sex-negative? I wish. We've sexualized every inch of women's bodies to the point where we've started sexualizing empty spaces around them (thigh gap). And nice derailing into "men are hurt by society toooooo!!!" Perverts aren't good, and these days they're called rapists. And there are a lot of them. But maybe you think rape/sexual assault only happens in dark alleys the woman probably shouldn't have been…

You hit too many sore spots for me to not suspect that you are trolling, but I'll give it a shot anyway. You obviously missed my point.

Yes, the USA is sex-negative. Some examples: People are afraid to talk about sex, even with their children. It is not uncommon for young adults to be afraid of having sex because of the reactions of their parents. Many grownups have trouble expressing their sexual preferences, and hence go decades without being sexually fulfilled, even when married. Sex education in schools meets strong opposition in many places due to the fear of sexuality, with the consequence of teen pregnancies and rampant STIs. Then there's this post, where people lose their jobs because a naked photo of them showed up the internet. Women who publicly express their sexuality in any form are shamed, outside of a few limited contexts such as seedy nightclubs and advertising. I think these exampes are sufficient to define and demonstrate the extent of the problem.

And yes, men are in fact also affected by this sex-negativity. Male sexuality is considered dangerous, of which your instinctive derailment into the crime of rape is a perfect example. This is an area where there is a surprising level of symmetry between the genders. Men are allowed more leeway in their choices and numbers of sex partners, but that's about it.

When it comes to sexual expression outside of the norm, which is the preference for broad shoulders, big tits and missionary or doggy-style pounding, the pervert/slut label is thrown around all the time in contexts where it shouldn't be used. Oral sex was considered a perversion only two decades ago. Anal sex still is, to an extent. Get beyond that into the realm of nonmonogamy, fetishism or bondage, which are defining elements of many couples' sex lives, and all bets are off.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by PeterisP »

ebiester wrote: post #79
gw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

...and if you are fired because someone sees your naked photo? If someone comes up to you in a store and says, "I've seen you naked?" Both of these were examples of the harassment women go through regularly after an event like this.

Stop right there - "...and if you're fired because someone sees your naked photo" by itself is a separate unexcusable problem that needs to be solved.

Someone seeing your naked photo should never, ever be an acceptable reason for firing someone, no matter where you work. The original article discusses on how to prevent the naked photos from being spread; but we also need to fix this issue as well.

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