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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sliverstorm »

gw wrote: post #24
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

Absolutely spot on. I have no sympathy for the villain, but this story sums up modern America: 1. A prudish culture in which women are fired for the slightest revealing photo. 2. A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. 3. An infantilized youth remaining under the wings of their parents long after reaching adulthood. 4. A burgeoning labyrinth of overly-specific laws bein…

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes.

That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Nursie »

sliverstorm wrote: post #58
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

I do not disagree with you, but in my eyes a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable. Shaming over nudity is just one example, one way. I'm glad the FBI & judicial system appear to have been effective in this story. The fundamental reason this sort of thing happens (again, in my eyes) is because the internet is still a pretty lawless place; that'…

>> a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable.

No, but it would be an easy weapon to take away from them.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sliverstorm »

Nursie wrote: post #62
sliverstorm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not disagree with you, but in my eyes a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable. Shaming over nudity is just one example, one way. I'm glad the FBI & judicial system appear to have been effective in this story. The fundamental reason this sort of thing happens (again, in my eyes) is because the internet is still a pretty lawless place; that'…

>> a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable. No, but it would be an easy weapon to take away from them.

No, it would be a hard-as-shit weapon to take away from them. In theory it sounds easy, but culture moves at a glacial pace.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by spectre256 »

lingben wrote: post #38
krenoten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rootkits exist that survive OS reinstalls. I don't know how prevalent they are, but if you expect a target to try to reinstall their operating system to attempt to purge an infection it is possible to counter this.

Really? where would the rootkit hide? Even if I replace all my HD sectors with zeros? I'm truly interested to know if this is real. thanks

There was an ars article (http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mys...) that was on HN just a few days ago describing all sorts of ways to hide rootkits in nearly any component of your machine with programmable firmware.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Nursie »

sliverstorm wrote: post #63
Nursie wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> a sex-positive culture will not prevent the Hunter Moores of the world from making other people's lives miserable. No, but it would be an easy weapon to take away from them.

No, it would be a hard-as-shit weapon to take away from them. In theory it sounds easy, but culture moves at a glacial pace.

Maybe in the US.

I don't know, can't really see the slut-shaming working to this extent here in the UK, let alone other parts of Europe. Hell, Italy had an ex-pornstar as a member of parliament for some time IIRC.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by meowface »

spindritf wrote: post #9

How was Gary Jones hacking those e-mail accounts? How was Black Lotus blocking assets (pages, images) on Moore's website? And why was a security company he hired(?) working against him?

"Gary Jones" is/was likely a script kiddie who spread malware and carefully looked for nude pictures on the hard drives and accounts he gained access to. Basically he went after low-hanging fruit. If he did target anyone, it was probably phishing ("click here!") through Facebook messages or emails.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by krenoten »

lingben wrote: post #38
krenoten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rootkits exist that survive OS reinstalls. I don't know how prevalent they are, but if you expect a target to try to reinstall their operating system to attempt to purge an infection it is possible to counter this.

Really? where would the rootkit hide? Even if I replace all my HD sectors with zeros? I'm truly interested to know if this is real. thanks

There are lots of things that use updatable firmware that can read and write data in interesting places. Portability is often an issue, so I guess it boils down to motivations of the writer.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sillysaurus2 »

XavierMendel wrote: post #36
krenoten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rootkits exist that survive OS reinstalls. I don't know how prevalent they are, but if you expect a target to try to reinstall their operating system to attempt to purge an infection it is possible to counter this.

Then replace the hard drive? I don't know of any viruses that could hide itself in your case fans so I'm inclined to think that buying a whole new computer is an overreaction.

You know you can run a program which updates your BIOS?

Therefore, a hacker can write a program to replace your BIOS with something that looks completely the same, except it also reinfects your computer each month.

This isn't paranoia. It's inevitable. I'm surprised it's not more well-known.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by DanBC »

XavierMendel wrote: post #36
krenoten wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rootkits exist that survive OS reinstalls. I don't know how prevalent they are, but if you expect a target to try to reinstall their operating system to attempt to purge an infection it is possible to counter this.

Then replace the hard drive? I don't know of any viruses that could hide itself in your case fans so I'm inclined to think that buying a whole new computer is an overreaction.

Proof of concept of rootkit that can survive disk replacement by installing itself to the bios.

http://www.geek.com/news/researchers-demonstrate-persistent-...

> Researchers at Core Security Technologies demonstrated the techniques at CanSecWest security conference in Vancouver earlier this month, compromising one virtual machine running Windows and another running OpenBSD. The attack relies on modifying the BIOS of the target machine; startup firmware that is booted from a chip on the motherboard. Anybody wishing to use this kind of exploit in the wild would need to already have low-level access to the machine in order to make such a change. As the BIOS code is executed every time the system starts up, even if disks are wiped or replaced, this presents an attractive proposition for hackers.

I agree that it's unlikely, but it's nice to see someone actually saying "nuke it"(although "Nuke it" should probably be just "wipe the drive and re-install"), rather than fiddling around with combofix and malwarebytes.

Don't forget that some people don't have OS discs, they have a "Host Protected Area" partition. Maybe rootkits and malware can infect that?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by gw »

sliverstorm wrote: post #61
gw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely spot on. I have no sympathy for the villain, but this story sums up modern America: 1. A prudish culture in which women are fired for the slightest revealing photo. 2. A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. 3. An infantilized youth remaining under the wings of their parents long after reaching adulthood. 4. A burgeoning labyrinth of overly-specific laws bein…

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it and continue on with your life.

Edit: To be clear, I'm aware that some of these victims lost their jobs. I did not mean to suggest there was no harm done. However, they lost their job due to the prudish culture that I originally referred to, not directly by the actions of the villain.

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