Google Can Bring an End to Censorship in 10 Days
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Google Can Bring an End to Censorship in 10 Days
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#2Google Could End Censorship in China in 10 Days - Why doesn't it?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/22/google-...
This Guardian article is a "shorter version" of the original article at http://en.GreatFire.org
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#3No, because surveillance is censorship too.
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#4How is the author overlooking the most obvious course of action the Chinese government could take?
China could easily block Google outright -- while the Github reversal the author mentions is certainly surprising, Google represents only a small sliver of Chinese search engine use [1] and probably wouldn't result in much of a mass outcry.
[1] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/09/17/baidu-still-tops-china...
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#5How is the author overlooking the most obvious course of action the Chinese government could take? China could easily block Google outright -- while the Github reversal the author mentions is certainly surprising, Google represents only a small sliver of Chinese search engine use [1] and probably wouldn't result in much of a mass outcry. [1] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/09/17/baidu-still-tops-china...
The article specifically mentions China blocking Google.
“Google! Do it! If they don't block you, freedom wins. If they do block you, there will be much more opposition to censorship inside China and the system will be forced to change, thus freedom wins too!”
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#6How is the author overlooking the most obvious course of action the Chinese government could take? China could easily block Google outright -- while the Github reversal the author mentions is certainly surprising, Google represents only a small sliver of Chinese search engine use [1] and probably wouldn't result in much of a mass outcry. [1] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/09/17/baidu-still-tops-china...
Sincerely, you're wrong.
GreatFire.org exists to end China's censorship - they have pondered long, researched, and have not missed your point.
China's weakness is they cannot censor where it crimps the economy too much.
Read: Collateral Freedom https://openitp.org/pdfs/CollateralFreedom.pdf
China blocking all Google products would make such a backlash in China that it's not a feasible move for the China government. Just as with Github, too many people would complain about losing $$ in the economy.
Gmail, Android, Chrome, Picasa, Google Drive, Docs, Translate, Maps, Scholar, Books, Earth, AppEngine, Research, Hangouts. Too many Chinese rely on these financially, and in their jobs.
GreatFire.org is right. This is a superb defrocking of censorship that will work.
The real question is why isn't Google doing this.
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#7How is the author overlooking the most obvious course of action the Chinese government could take? China could easily block Google outright -- while the Github reversal the author mentions is certainly surprising, Google represents only a small sliver of Chinese search engine use [1] and probably wouldn't result in much of a mass outcry. [1] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/09/17/baidu-still-tops-china...
The article specifically mentions China blocking Google. “Google! Do it! If they don't block you, freedom wins. If they do block you, there will be much more opposition to censorship inside China and the system will be forced to change, thus freedom wins too!”
The article describes how the their (small?) group of activists is willing to "bet the house", and that the potential outcome could include Google being blocked.
It's nice that they're willing to see Google blocked, but they're not actually giving up anything if that happens. Google on the other hand is a public company and has a lot more to lose if they're blocked. What would the shareholders say to Google risking the ad revenue from Chinese Internet users? And they're already fighting for marketshare with Baidu ... they could end up losing enough ground to never recover.
The activists might find that tack is a far better way to proceed. Google could easily just say "switching to HTTPS is in accordance with our policies throughout the rest of the world and it's (one way) to protect Chinese users from spying by the NSA (and others). Actively redirecting blocked requests to cached pages would on the other hand offend the Chinese government and would signal Google's true intent.
If you're going to be activists, you need to have a much better understanding of corporate motivations as well as become much more tuned into politics.
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#8How is the author overlooking the most obvious course of action the Chinese government could take? China could easily block Google outright -- while the Github reversal the author mentions is certainly surprising, Google represents only a small sliver of Chinese search engine use [1] and probably wouldn't result in much of a mass outcry. [1] http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/09/17/baidu-still-tops-china...
Sincerely, you're wrong. GreatFire.org exists to end China's censorship - they have pondered long, researched, and have not missed your point. China's weakness is they cannot censor where it crimps the economy too much. Read: Collateral Freedom https://openitp.org/pdfs/CollateralFreedom.pdf China blocking all Google products would make such a backlash in China that it's not a feasible move for the China government. J…
To be fair, a number of those are regularly and/or completely blocked in China, e.g. Google Drive[1] and encrypted.google.com[2] completely (if I'm reading those right) and gmail[3] often enough to be notable.
[1] https://zh.greatfire.org/https/drive.google.com
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sincerely, you're wrong. GreatFire.org exists to end China's censorship - they have pondered long, researched, and have not missed your point. China's weakness is they cannot censor where it crimps the economy too much. Read: Collateral Freedom https://openitp.org/pdfs/CollateralFreedom.pdf China blocking all Google products would make such a backlash in China that it's not a feasible move for the China government. J…
To be fair, a number of those are regularly and/or completely blocked in China, e.g. Google Drive[1] and encrypted.google.com[2] completely (if I'm reading those right) and gmail[3] often enough to be notable. [1] https://zh.greatfire.org/https/drive.google.com [2] https://zh.greatfire.org/encrypted.google.com [3] https://zh.greatfire.org/https/mail.google.com
Also, Android in China is completely degoogleified. No Google accounts, no Play, no GMail...
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#10No, because surveillance is censorship too.
As far as I'm aware Google hasn't ever shot anyone in the head, which is a common occurrence in China. (China executes more people than all other nations combined. Real numbers are hard to find, but about 5,000 people in 2009 is accepted for a low end figure by most people. That's 13 per day, or one person every two hours.)
Comparing Google's surveillance to Chinese totalitarian state is obscene.