Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
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Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
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Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#2I voted up because I agree. Would I have done so if I disagreed, despite it being decently well-presented? Should I have?
So here's the question: How do you do better?
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#3I voted up because I agree. Would I have done so if I disagreed, despite it being decently well-presented? Should I have? So here's the question: How do you do better?
I would form a startup that had a better idea and I would try to adapt it to make more users happy!
Not trying to be a pain, just that it's a big question, and whoever makes progress in this area is going to be accomplishing something big, in my opinion. I have my ideas, which I'd like to try out in the market and not kick around on a board. Hope that's an okay answer. I'm not a "cool idea makes the business work" guy, but neither am I a "give away the store" guy either. I think there's going to be some proprietary magic going on when this nut gets cracked, much the same as when search was cracked there was a lot of behind-the-scenes magic that Google did.
BTW -- thanks for the vote. Karma whores unite! :)
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#4I think you must have arrived since the explanation of how we're going to avoid drift.
http://ycombinator.com/hackernews.html
Vote weighting isn't turned on yet, but for the last couple weeks I've been thinking it was time to.
Incidentally, the poll problem can easily be fixed by changing the frontpage ranking algorithm to treat poll votes as worth e.g. a third as much.
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#5I think up/downs are to judge the worthiness of the link, and agreements should be expressed in the comments.
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#6I think you must have arrived since the explanation of how we're going to avoid drift. http://ycombinator.com/hackernews.html Vote weighting isn't turned on yet, but for the last couple weeks I've been thinking it was time to. Incidentally, the poll problem can easily be fixed by changing the frontpage ranking algorithm to treat poll votes as worth e.g. a third as much.
Awesome!
Color me skeptical about stopping drift, though. It'll be neat to be proven wrong. I wonder how you'd prevent the system from just emulating the editors, instead of the audience. Now with YC perhaps that's exactly how you'd like it, but for a more general purpose site I'd want more of a user-focus than an external-editor-focus.
For the newer people, thank you for the link about what the appropriate topics are. I think a time or two I asked "what does this have to do with hacking?" Now that I know the larger focus, I'll be more reticent.
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#7I think up/downs are to judge the worthiness of the link, and agreements should be expressed in the comments.
Would you vote up for a link to a story that you violently disagreed with? Be honest now. And if you would (I _think_ I would) do you really think that's the way others are voting?
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#8the problem is that even though WE don't like poll stories or random bush bashing on the front page, a TON of people do like them obviously, and you need to accomadate them too
anyone ever used pandora.com?
you give it an artist, it plays you a song by the artist or in the same genre, you vote the song up or down, eventually pandora learns enough about your tastes to only play songs that you enjoy
what if a social news site kept track of what kind of stories you voted up or down, did some magic to draw connections between types of stories, so the front page of the site would look different for each user... people that don't like poll stories wouldn't have poll stories on the front page, etc, etc
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#9It's not a voting problem, it's a scaling problem; I believe. Simply put: social news sites don't scale very well.
As communities grow:
1. You and I can't get things on the home page any more. It becomes only for the well connected.
2. Subjects lose focus.
3. It becomes a gold mine for spammers. They'd do anything to game the system if they can get 234,000 visitors from one post [1].
The solution, I believe: Keep communities smaller and focused. If need be, create many small communities.
[1] http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/marketing/how-to-get-traffic-...
Re: Design: Voting up or Down is Dead
#10I think up/downs are to judge the worthiness of the link, and agreements should be expressed in the comments.
Would you vote up for a link to a story that you violently disagreed with? Be honest now. And if you would (I _think_ I would) do you really think that's the way others are voting?
I just experienced this dilemma with the 'Facebook Sucks' post by Dave Winer (heh) that went up on YC news earlier today or last night.
I thought the linked story was pretty lame, but at the same time, I thought it was an interesting conversation. In the end, I didn't vote up the link, but I did participate pretty heavily in the comments.
I would like a way to distinguish between liking the story and thinking that other people should see it. But at the same time, I realize how complicated that would make things.
This question/dilemma actually relates directly to my YC app/idea, so I'm going to be following the comments in this thread pretty closely.