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Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by rb2e »

ebolamonkey wrote: post #17
rb2e wrote: post #12

Actually believe this would be a good plan. I listen to live music in Second Life (Don't laugh) and I've found live music works well when streamed live both audio only and video. For musicians, its great to perform live for people but having to tour and go from gig to gig, lugging equipment around, and most of the time only being paid beer money and travel expenses. Being able to perform for an audience but not havin…

Right now the artists have to go to their studio in NY to perform. You can't just cast from your bedroom.

Hmmn that sucks then. If you could do it from home, would be so much better. It kinda defeats the purpose then if you have to goto a studio. From home you could just do it on Justin.tv or YouTube but these are for general purposes. If It was a site dedicated to live music where artists could sell merchandise, MP3 etc or collect tips, would be a winner.

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by untog »

ihuman wrote: post #15

I don't see this move being popular. They are basically demoting the users from both consumers and curators to just consumers of the music. What made turnable.fm awesome was that it was people like yourself deciding on what everyone wanted to listen; if people didn't like the choices, someone else could be selected. Now that control is out of the equation. The artists are selecting what everyone wants to hear, they a…

I actually always thought the tt.fm model was a bit broken in that respect. Only five people got to DJ, and there was next to no rotation. I enjoyed using it in a small room with friends, but in a room of any size there was a very low chance that I would ever influence the playlist.

In any case, the simple fact of the matter is that there was no way tt.fm was making money. They have to change.

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by MichaelTieso »

Fzzr wrote: post #11

I left turntable for plug.dj almost exactly a year ago. Honestly, I'm not surprised.

Never heard of this site. Thanks for the tip. I'm actually liking this site better already. And as a traveler (in Mexico now), I can actually visit the site without having to use a VPN.

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by tks2103 »

Turntable dunked all other music streaming sites in playlist quality for the simple reason that the intelligence behind song selection resided in humans rather than an algorithm.

It was a specific application of the general idea that social recommendations are more powerful than algorithmic recommendations. I don't know how valid the general idea is, but when it came to Turntable, it worked. People search the space of musical works much more effectively than algorithms.

And then Turntable did nothing with that power. They had high quality playlists being minted by the thousands on a daily basis, and I could not access any of them.

At least for a time, they were focused on live engagement. Unfortunately, it's just too hard to grow a music streaming product that demands each listener be present to click a button for every song. I loved the service, but I also have a job. I cannot be on the site all day long. At the risk of being presumptuous, I would guess that the product leaders were blinded by their devotion to live engagement.

Focusing instead on their brilliant, yet simple, solution to the problem of "What song should go on next?" would have been the right call. But they did not walk this path.

As for their new product, which predictably focuses more intently on the live engagement aspect, I am unconvinced. Turntable Live provides a subset of the functionality that Twitch.tv does, with less reach.

Best of luck to them. No doubt, they are an extremely talented team.

And I'm really, really going to miss Turntable. Kickass idea. (yeah yeah plug.dj, whatever)

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by bspace »

tks2103 wrote: post #25

Turntable dunked all other music streaming sites in playlist quality for the simple reason that the intelligence behind song selection resided in humans rather than an algorithm. It was a specific application of the general idea that social recommendations are more powerful than algorithmic recommendations. I don't know how valid the general idea is, but when it came to Turntable, it worked. People search the space o…

Glad to see plug.dj exists. I mean, I did work really hard at accumulating my awesome avatar collection on turntable.fm, but I think I'll get over the loss as long as there's somewhere new to go.

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by Fzzr »

MichaelTieso wrote: post #24
Fzzr wrote: post #11

I left turntable for plug.dj almost exactly a year ago. Honestly, I'm not surprised.

Never heard of this site. Thanks for the tip. I'm actually liking this site better already. And as a traveler (in Mexico now), I can actually visit the site without having to use a VPN.

Unfortunately, you can be subject to youtube videos being blocked in just your country (Germany and the US are the countries I've heard the most complaints from on that score).

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by livejamie »

tks2103 wrote: post #25

Turntable dunked all other music streaming sites in playlist quality for the simple reason that the intelligence behind song selection resided in humans rather than an algorithm. It was a specific application of the general idea that social recommendations are more powerful than algorithmic recommendations. I don't know how valid the general idea is, but when it came to Turntable, it worked. People search the space o…

Are you familiar with Songza?

Re: Turntable.fm shutting down - new "Turntable Live" introduced

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Post by tks2103 »

livejamie wrote: post #28
tks2103 wrote: post #25

Turntable dunked all other music streaming sites in playlist quality for the simple reason that the intelligence behind song selection resided in humans rather than an algorithm. It was a specific application of the general idea that social recommendations are more powerful than algorithmic recommendations. I don't know how valid the general idea is, but when it came to Turntable, it worked. People search the space o…

Are you familiar with Songza?

yeah good service to point out.

the playlists on turntable were an organic composition of the community in the channel. the user was directly involved in the creation process. the playlist changed to reflect the people in the channel. it was an entirely social gathering (when it started anyway), as if you got 50 music heads into a room and asked them to rock out.

songza is purely curated. for that reason, it misses the social aspect. songza is more like hiring an extremely inexpensive dj. other users dont get to interact with the playlist content.

different approaches to the same problem, but i believe the real innovation is in combining humans minds and experiences in searching the song graph. songza does not do that. turntable did.

songza still cool tho!

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