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YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

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Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

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Post by jaynos »

edgarallenbro wrote: post #50
cromwellian wrote: post #36

Ads are the least bad option. The Web functions best if content is available without paywalls. The Web is about friction-free use, you click a link, you are faced with walls. If we went to a micro-transaction based Web, where every link was behind a payment service, it would destroy crawlability, hamper sharing, and cast a chilling effect on people's behavior with respect to consuming content. The people producing co…

$50/year is wishful thinking. I pay $10/month for Spotify. Thats $120/year. I doubt YouTube would be cheaper

Spotify is working in the realm of artist royalties. Much less content on YouTube would be subject to this and if some form of royalty did go into effect, youtube would have a huge say in how it was setup.

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Post by mgr86 »

lelandbatey wrote: post #41
mgr86 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often switched to embed. (youtube.com/watch?v=x89eyhj => youtube.com/embed/x89eyhj) I do it because I might want to watch a video full screen in one monitor and continue to work on another. Embed automatically takes up the full window. An added side effect is that the pre-roll ads disappear. The banner ads are still there.

For me, I find the Youtube has just gotten worse as time's progressed. At this point, the player's buggy, the site doesn't adjust well to different screen sizes, I have playback issues like crazy, the interface is unintelligible. I just automated the downloading and playing of Youtube videos from the command line. Here's the script that'll do it: https://gist.github.com/lelandbatey/7594106

actually, you do raise a very good point. The playback has been super buggy for me the last six months or so. Often times beyond usable. It seems the only way to get it actually play is using watching the embedded video. I do it so much out of habit anymore that I often don't notice.

I do actually have that installed (or at least something like it) I actually use it a fair bit for things I want to watch but don't want to listen too. Somewhere between comcast and youtube I find it nearly impossible to stream 1080p quality videos. I feel like youtube doesn't buffer like it used to.

Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

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Post by ljf »

josu wrote: post #42
cromwellian wrote: post #36

Ads are the least bad option. The Web functions best if content is available without paywalls. The Web is about friction-free use, you click a link, you are faced with walls. If we went to a micro-transaction based Web, where every link was behind a payment service, it would destroy crawlability, hamper sharing, and cast a chilling effect on people's behavior with respect to consuming content. The people producing co…

>If I could pay $50/year for an ad-free YouTube experience I probably would. When you can install adblock and get the same experience for free I'm not sure that many people would think that way. And the problem is that for most of the people that I have installed adblock for don't understand the moral implications of using it. I've tried to teach them how to deactivate it for pages they like, but they just didn't car…

People pay for itunes when they can get music for free, people pay for netflix when they can torrent or stream for free. Some people are happy to pay for services they like. Some aren't. But I think that you can make a business out of those that can be happy to pay, if the product is right.

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Post by okasaki »

lakwn wrote: post #26
pit wrote: post #19

Let's also not forget youtube-dl: http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/

And Youtube Viewer: https://code.google.com/p/trizen/

You can play videos with youtube-dl:

    mplayer -really-quiet -cache 3000 $(youtube-dl -f 18 -g $(xclip -o))

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Post by bzelip »

Here's a related and interesting article [1] titled 'Unraveling Google’s Product Strategy' from the author of a post that is linked to on the HN front page (Ode to Little Data)[2].

The author in this related article is really showing the total commitment to ads by google. I find it very unsettling.

[1]http://katsenblog.com/post/58721533658/unraveling-googles-pr... [2]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6782205

Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

#57

Post by pagefair »

jaytaylor wrote: post #16
sp332 wrote: post #3

Why are the screenshots in this article taken from klout.com instead of twitter or facebook or wherever they were actually posted?

It looks like he may just have my klout chrome or Firefox extension installed, which adds klout scores to twitter. He may also be using a 3rd party client with a klout integration.

Correct, just the Klout chrome extension adding scores to Twitter =)

Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

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Post by kurtbingham »

byjove wrote: post #21

It's an evidence free nonsense article, but to answer that quoted tweet: YouTube for Schools doesn't contain ads http://www.youtube.com/schools

What evidence are you expecting? It's an opinion piece that merely connects a few dots. Google paid adblock plus, that's a fact. Did you see the Reddit article? Half of the comments were citing YouTube as a major reason for installing adblock.

Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

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Post by sp332 »

isomorphic wrote: post #46
cromwellian wrote: post #36

Ads are the least bad option. The Web functions best if content is available without paywalls. The Web is about friction-free use, you click a link, you are faced with walls. If we went to a micro-transaction based Web, where every link was behind a payment service, it would destroy crawlability, hamper sharing, and cast a chilling effect on people's behavior with respect to consuming content. The people producing co…

> The real debate should be over how to make ads less annoying, more relevant, more pleasant Doesn't it seem like Google would be the right company to determine how to make ads more relevant? Does it seem like they're getting better at this, or worse?

Step 1. Find companies I actually care about and convince them to make ads to show.

Re: YouTube Shoots Google in Foot, Publishers Suffer Collateral Damage

#60

Post by lelandbatey »

mgr86 wrote: post #52
lelandbatey wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I find the Youtube has just gotten worse as time's progressed. At this point, the player's buggy, the site doesn't adjust well to different screen sizes, I have playback issues like crazy, the interface is unintelligible. I just automated the downloading and playing of Youtube videos from the command line. Here's the script that'll do it: https://gist.github.com/lelandbatey/7594106

actually, you do raise a very good point. The playback has been super buggy for me the last six months or so. Often times beyond usable. It seems the only way to get it actually play is using watching the embedded video. I do it so much out of habit anymore that I often don't notice. I do actually have that installed (or at least something like it) I actually use it a fair bit for things I want to watch but don't wan…

Yeah, I think they started to get really aggressive about controlling how people access Youtube videos, trying to keep from sending more data than is absolutely necessary over the wire to keep costs down.
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