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Re: Richest Bitcoin Addresses

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> But the fact that early adopters are psychotically rich for doing nothing is... one of the many signs of a flawed system. No they risked their money with a speculation that had almost 0% chance of getting any return in the future. They took a huge risk, without this, bitcoin would not exist. And that's why they are rewarded: Taking a risk that almost no one would have taken to create something big. > Basically if e…

Isn't bitcoin easily manipulated? Let's say I have 1% of all bitcoins. I sell half of them, wait for the price to fall, and buy back to have 1.1% of all bitcoins. Repeat each few weeks, and let's say there's 20 people that realized this and have enough bitcoins for this to be feasible. End result = currency that's mostly owned by a few people. And when everybody realize this - bubble collapses. At least that was my t…

I'm no expert in these fields.

But I guess it wouldn't work because if you sell a lot of bitcoins you couldn't sell all at the same price.

Eg. you want to sell 10k Bitcoins. The price is 750$ and the first 50 Bitcoins you can sell for 750$. Now after that there are not enough limit orders anymore available for that price category. So you would sell a lot of bitcoins for much less than the price was originally when you started selling.

And vice versa if you buy them. So I would doubt that you make a profit (because you can't sell/buy at price x and then afterwards the market price reacts. The market price reacts already while buying/selling in large quantities).

As I see it it's the same principle as if you own a large part of a stock, there you could argue the same.

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Way smaller scale but back in 2011 I heard about bitcoins and crunched some numbers. I realized that at the current price (~$16), I was able to make profit mining them on my desktop since it would only cost about ~$12 in electricty per coin. I got myself 3 or 4 coins (I wasn't even in a pool at that point) but then the price crashed in late 2011 and I eventually forgot about it. Since then I've reformatted and I reme…

I got 2 coins off a guy in a coffeshop about 1 year ago for $20. I sold them today for about $1600. About 2 years ago I almost dropped $1000 on bitcoins but was talked out of it by family and friends. It feels weird. I can't connect bitcoins to social or economic value. The "china explosion" of btc price won't last imho. And while I like bitcoin, it's just a currency and not an investment, as in it doesn't generate v…

Did you get actual cash for the transaction, or some kind of goods or service? I'm having a hard time finding people who actually got CASH MONEY for a bitcoin.

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What about old old money? I'm talking about people that have money because their ancestors were royalty of some sort. Can you really say that they earned it? How much of that could be being in the right place at the right time? E.g. You helped out the king and he granted you a lot of land. Several generations later, your descendents are ridiculously wealthy because you got in on the 'ground floor' of what would later…

Heh I agree with your concept a bit, I was thinking about that myself. But here's the counter -- WHO REALLY WANTS TO RELIVE THE DARK AGES?!! Great headline: "Crypto-Currency of the Future Promises a Return to Medieval Economics via Anonymous Self-Proclaimed King" Even in those systems, people had to WORK to get that $$. We're kindof seeing that now with those setting up the Bitcoin infrastructure, but early adopters…

I don't understand, they made a very risky bet and it paid off. Would you have considered compensating them if the value went to 0?

Re: Richest Bitcoin Addresses

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I got 2 coins off a guy in a coffeshop about 1 year ago for $20. I sold them today for about $1600. About 2 years ago I almost dropped $1000 on bitcoins but was talked out of it by family and friends. It feels weird. I can't connect bitcoins to social or economic value. The "china explosion" of btc price won't last imho. And while I like bitcoin, it's just a currency and not an investment, as in it doesn't generate v…

Did you get actual cash for the transaction, or some kind of goods or service? I'm having a hard time finding people who actually got CASH MONEY for a bitcoin.

There are dozens of exchanges where you can get "cash money" for Bitcoins. Lately, the buy side (the people with cash money wanting to buy Bitcoin) is much more active than the sell side, which is why it's been climbing. In the US there's Coinbase and CampBX. Worldwide, there's Mt Gox (probably the largest, and, I believe, the oldest), and a whole lot of others. But, to get US dollars deposited into a US bank account, I'm using Coinbase.

Re: Richest Bitcoin Addresses

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Can you imagine how many of these BTCs are actually lost forever. Look at this address: http://bitcoinrichlist.com/address/198aMn6ZYAczwrE5NvNTUMyJ5... The last time this address was touched was 2009, and has an even 8,000 coins (back in the day, this only amounted to 320 mined blocks. You could do that in what?... a few hours/half days?[1]) The owner probably ran his system for a few hours, collected 8000 coins, tho…

It's possible that he died.

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afaik 90+% (100%?) of all the blocks mined by satoshi have never been touched. Satoshi's wealth would be in thousands of separate 50BTC wallets, not 1 big one. Can't be bothered to find the source atm but someone did some analysis on the mined blocks in 2009/2010 and found the likely blocks mined by the same person who mined the first block, all unspent.

Thousands of separate addresses, most of those coins still sit in their mined blocks. However it is likely Satoshi has all the addresses in one single wallet so that he could move them all at once if he wanted to. Satoshi's estimated wealth is between 500,000 and 1,000,000 coins.

Did Bitcoin 0.1 have a mine-every-block-to-a-new-address feature? It's also possible that he mined to ephemeral addresses and didn't save the private keys which would make all that BTC lost.

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Isn't bitcoin easily manipulated? Let's say I have 1% of all bitcoins. I sell half of them, wait for the price to fall, and buy back to have 1.1% of all bitcoins. Repeat each few weeks, and let's say there's 20 people that realized this and have enough bitcoins for this to be feasible. End result = currency that's mostly owned by a few people. And when everybody realize this - bubble collapses. At least that was my t…

yeah but people shouldn't be getting involved with a currency just because it's so scammable. I commend you for not getting involved. I think Bitcoin speculators are immoral. Someone is going to end up footing the bill and it will ruin many lives.

Don't invest what you cannot afford to loose.

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I got 2 coins off a guy in a coffeshop about 1 year ago for $20. I sold them today for about $1600. About 2 years ago I almost dropped $1000 on bitcoins but was talked out of it by family and friends. It feels weird. I can't connect bitcoins to social or economic value. The "china explosion" of btc price won't last imho. And while I like bitcoin, it's just a currency and not an investment, as in it doesn't generate v…

Did you get actual cash for the transaction, or some kind of goods or service? I'm having a hard time finding people who actually got CASH MONEY for a bitcoin.

People entering the bitcoin game generally put money into it. That money must go somewhere.

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No. If you delete the wallet, the contained Bitcoins make poof . You basically delete the private key and won't be able to sign a transaction with it ever.

It's like what happens when your wallet gets burned in a fire. That cash is gone forever.

Except it can be reprinted. The cash is gone, but the total money supply is not irreversibly reduced.

Re: Richest Bitcoin Addresses

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post #74

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Heh I agree with your concept a bit, I was thinking about that myself. But here's the counter -- WHO REALLY WANTS TO RELIVE THE DARK AGES?!! Great headline: "Crypto-Currency of the Future Promises a Return to Medieval Economics via Anonymous Self-Proclaimed King" Even in those systems, people had to WORK to get that $$. We're kindof seeing that now with those setting up the Bitcoin infrastructure, but early adopters…

I don't understand, they made a very risky bet and it paid off. Would you have considered compensating them if the value went to 0?

Was leaving your computer (or your work computer) on over night a few years ago really such a huge risk?
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