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Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by coldtea »

mpyne wrote: post #3

I'm extremely interested in who this 'redandwhite' guy is. It's still unclear if the murders even occurred, but if no one got killed then this might be one of the most effective cons (against DPR) I've ever seen.

Isn't it obvious it was the friendlychemist?

friendlychemist: "Hey, I need $500.000 I owe to some bad guys. Give it to me or I'll expose you."

silkroadguy: "Sure, can you get me in contact with the guys that you owe money to, first?"

(He ...really expects somebody that owes money to bad guys will give their address to someone he tries to blackmail????)

"redandwhite": "Hello, I'm the guy friendlychemist owes money to. Want me to kill him? I can do it for, say, $500.000".

silkroadguy: "Seems legit. Go ahead".

"readandwhite": "Done! Here's a photo of me^H^H him dead."

silkroadguy: "Great! Here's the money!".

(time passes)

"readandwhite": "Hey, I found somebody else who steals from you. Four of them? Want me to kill 'em? Wire some bitcoins".

silkroadguy: "Sure, wiring!".

I mean, is he dumb or what?

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by coldtea »

scenicBulimic wrote: post #6

So, as an armchair juror, 3 enourmous questions spring to mind: 1. Why would a man, who allegedly built an extremely profitable empire using robust cryptographic software, not have enough expertise to employ powerful encypted countermeasures on his personal machine? Why wasn't his hard drive encrypted? Why were there no plans to erase and destroy data at a moment's notice, in the event that he gets arrested? Are we e…

>1. Why would a man, who allegedly built an extremely profitable empire using robust cryptographic software, not have enough expertise to employ powerful encypted countermeasures on his personal machine?

Because they wouldn't matter one iota.

Either they would get him with his computer on, and read them off of memory, or the court would have forced him to give the password -- or face even harsher sentence based on all the other evidence.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by coldtea »

scenicBulimic wrote: post #42
ceejayoz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Ulbricht gets off on a technicality for the crime he's charged with, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. He's being charged with the hypothetical thoughtcrime of killing an internet persona (or two). To me, that feels like a technicality to begin with. I'm sorry, we're considering hiring a hitman and paying them large amounts of money for what you believe to be a successful torture and execution as a thought crime no…

A screen name on the internet, possibly a sock puppet, may or may not be tied to a real world person. He didn't have the capacity to visit this person in real life. He couldn't have possibly been sure whether it was a real person or not. He never met them, he never shook their hand, he couldn't have been sure of where they lived, because they didn't exist to begin with. Another screen name claims to have the ability…

>A screen name on the internet, possibly a sock puppet, may or may not be tied to a real world person. He didn't have the capacity to visit this person in real life. He couldn't have possibly been sure whether it was a real person or not. He never met them, he never shook their hand, he couldn't have been sure of where they lived, because they didn't exist to begin with.

You don't pay $500000 to kill a "sock-puppet".

Besides, the whole premise is BS, based on "internet isn't real life". As if he arranged a kill on Second Life or something!

Well, newsflash, the internet is just a method of communication, like snail mail and talking is. And it's connecting very much with the physical world. When I order something from Amazon, it arrives on my doorstep, physically, and 4-5 people have worked on getting that to me.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by hmsimha »

nwh wrote: post #31
anaphor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I see it there are a few possibilities: 1) He isn't the real DPR 2) He is the real DPR, but he's extremely inept and didn't get caught before due to dumb luck 3) He isn't the original DPR, but an inept person who took over to take the fall for the original DPR 4) He wanted to get caught?

There's nothing to suggest that anybody apart from him ever ran the site. The screw ups on StackOverflow and Bitcointalk point to him and nobody else. He's just someone who totally didn't prepare for his adversaries, who ultimately didn't need to go to any great lengths to unmask him. I'm surprised nobody in the general public managed to do it, quite honestly. Just not as clever as he thought he was being, essentiall…

> The screw ups on StackOverflow and Bitcointalk point to him and nobody else.

Ah, so the original DPR is a true master then :P

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by ceejayoz »

sliverstorm wrote: post #36
MrMan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah man! murder is just a thought crime now.

Let's be clear, attempted murder is a thoughtcrime. ;)

No, considered murder is a thought crime. Attempted murder involves actions.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by loceng »

sliverstorm wrote: post #60
loceng wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you're trying to twist my words into saying "this is what is happening and I am claiming it to be true" - however what I'm saying is that it's a reasonable possibility - I am not saying there is proof behind it or that it's a real occurrence.

How do we know it is a reasonable possibility? We have zero evidence to suggest it is the case.

Probability is based in part on logic using past occurrences as references - and not the present moment or determining conviction.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by loceng »

krapp wrote: post #57
loceng wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facilitating the sale of drugs is quite different than if he's accused of trying to (successfully or unsuccessfully) kill 6 people - which is much more extreme, no?

Cartel bosses, gang members and drug dealers have been known to have their perceived enemies killed to defend their money, territory or evade capture. Let's not pretend that 'facilitating the sale of drugs' at that scale is an necessarily nonviolent business. And besides, what does the government have to gain that's worth the risk of damaging their case if its discovered they fabricated evidence?

RIght, so it's an easy assumption to accept - and no assumptions being made. And do you really think the government level / agency that is in charge of justice would have any level of 'clearance' towards the agency that would be fabricating evidence? The NSA has been lying to congress for years, as an easy example.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by sliverstorm »

ceejayoz wrote: post #66
sliverstorm wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be clear, attempted murder is a thoughtcrime. ;)

No, considered murder is a thought crime. Attempted murder involves actions.

I was being sarcastic.

Re: Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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Post by mpyne »

coldtea wrote: post #61
mpyne wrote: post #3

I'm extremely interested in who this 'redandwhite' guy is. It's still unclear if the murders even occurred, but if no one got killed then this might be one of the most effective cons (against DPR) I've ever seen.

Isn't it obvious it was the friendlychemist? friendlychemist: "Hey, I need $500.000 I owe to some bad guys. Give it to me or I'll expose you." silkroadguy: "Sure, can you get me in contact with the guys that you owe money to, first?" (He ...really expects somebody that owes money to bad guys will give their address to someone he tries to blackmail????) "redandwhite": "Hello, I'm the guy friendlychemist owes money to.…

That does seem the most likely explanation, yes.
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