Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

outlook.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 97 posts

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#81

Post by pcx66 »

ThomW wrote: post #18

Who's scroogled now? http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Scroogle... This is so embarrassing.

Wow, didn't expect they were selling merchandise. This is a new low even for Microsoft. Microsoft were never considered to be a company which puts ethics over money, and this just shows that they are jealous. They would do worse if they were in Google's place.

But selling merchandise? Come on, really! Is there at least one person in the world who could use these items and make it seem like they are making a fair point?

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#82

Post by criley2 »

pcx66 wrote: post #81
ThomW wrote: post #18

Who's scroogled now? http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Scroogle... This is so embarrassing.

Wow, didn't expect they were selling merchandise. This is a new low even for Microsoft. Microsoft were never considered to be a company which puts ethics over money, and this just shows that they are jealous. They would do worse if they were in Google's place. But selling merchandise? Come on, really! Is there at least one person in the world who could use these items and make it seem like they are making a fair poin…

Jealous? To me it shows aggressive brand management. I've never really seen Microsoft as a company above ribbing on competitors. Why is it even a bad thing? Apple did it against PC for like a decade.

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#83

Post by pcx66 »

criley2 wrote: post #82
pcx66 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, didn't expect they were selling merchandise. This is a new low even for Microsoft. Microsoft were never considered to be a company which puts ethics over money, and this just shows that they are jealous. They would do worse if they were in Google's place. But selling merchandise? Come on, really! Is there at least one person in the world who could use these items and make it seem like they are making a fair poin…

Jealous? To me it shows aggressive brand management. I've never really seen Microsoft as a company above ribbing on competitors. Why is it even a bad thing? Apple did it against PC for like a decade.

Apple had a point, that they were cooler. They were saying, "hey, we are different". How does what Microsoft's saying about Google not apply to it? MS doesn't care about your privacy any more than Google. With the Snowden revelations and all, they have no case to make.

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#84

Post by meowface »

criley2 wrote: post #82
pcx66 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, didn't expect they were selling merchandise. This is a new low even for Microsoft. Microsoft were never considered to be a company which puts ethics over money, and this just shows that they are jealous. They would do worse if they were in Google's place. But selling merchandise? Come on, really! Is there at least one person in the world who could use these items and make it seem like they are making a fair poin…

Jealous? To me it shows aggressive brand management. I've never really seen Microsoft as a company above ribbing on competitors. Why is it even a bad thing? Apple did it against PC for like a decade.

Most aggressive marketing/brand management generally doesn't involve selling products saying "[competitor] is bad and evil!!!"

Commercials sometimes, sure, but not wearable merchandise. I think it makes Microsoft seem quite petty, especially since they're trying to coin a whole new word out of it ("Scroogled").

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#87

Post by toomuchtodo »

ThomW wrote: post #18

Who's scroogled now? http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/Scroogle... This is so embarrassing.

Totally off-topic: Based on your nick, I may know you. Live in Northern Illinois by chance? With a short stint at a place near Oak Brook?

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#88

Post by jongalloway2 »

tpurves wrote: post #71

Do they never learn? I am suddenly remebering distant flashbacks to 2001 when microsoft wiped out hotmail for 24hrs with a massive DNS screw-up: CNET: Microsoft blames technicians for massive outage (2001) http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-251427.html Wired: How, Why Microsoft Went Down (2001) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/01/41412?... Can you imagine in those days, everyone was on hotmail, gmail ha…

I'm curious about the cause, but it's funny to see "Do they never learn?" + links from 12 years ago.

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#89

Post by wutwut »

bencxr wrote: post #77

Based on what I have heard, the issue was caused by a bad active directory GPO that caused firewall rules to refuse DNS requests. Neither outlook/xbox/etc would have had any control over it. I heard that the issue has since been solved internally from 4.30 PST, though DNS changes often take time to propagate externally, taking TTL settings and ISP caches into consideration.

They did release a new version of their Active Directory service in Azure yesterday. Wonder if its related.

Re: Outlook.com DNS records disappeared

#90

Post by lucb1e »

tpurves wrote: post #71

Do they never learn? I am suddenly remebering distant flashbacks to 2001 when microsoft wiped out hotmail for 24hrs with a massive DNS screw-up: CNET: Microsoft blames technicians for massive outage (2001) http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-251427.html Wired: How, Why Microsoft Went Down (2001) http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/01/41412?... Can you imagine in those days, everyone was on hotmail, gmail ha…

And that's why I run my own mail server nowadays. Privacy, control over data, and at least I'm responsible for my own downtime without impacting more than a few people. Decentralisation for the win, in my opinion.

Also credits to my ISP for allowing hosting of my own server, running native IPv6 and of course opening port 25. Xs4all is a really cool ISP to have in the Netherlands :)

Post reply on HN