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Feds say Silk Road suspect’s computer shows he (thought he) plotted 6 murders

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He kept a written journal of this stuff? Truly must not have expected to be caught, I can't imagine what world he was in inside his head to have believed that. Given the status of the website, it was only going to be a matter of time. Fairly convincing looking fake Australian license though, wish there was a better photo of it.

I can't get over how he wasn't using full disk encryption.

He probably did. The FBI deliberately waited until he was using his laptop at the library, then tackled him while the computer was still logged on.

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I'll readily entertain the possibility of tangible artifacts over some bytestream any old day of the week. If he's busted with a bunch of fake IDs on his person, I'd consider that to be evidence proper. But anything transpiring in the netherworld of the internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt, especially when no real-world violence erupted. It may be possible that this is the guy. The evidence that rings true…

> If Ulbricht gets off on a technicality for the crime he's charged with, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. He's being charged with the hypothetical thoughtcrime of killing an internet persona (or two). To me, that feels like a technicality to begin with. I'm sorry, we're considering hiring a hitman and paying them large amounts of money for what you believe to be a successful torture and execution as a thought crime no…

A screen name on the internet, possibly a sock puppet, may or may not be tied to a real world person. He didn't have the capacity to visit this person in real life. He couldn't have possibly been sure whether it was a real person or not. He never met them, he never shook their hand, he couldn't have been sure of where they lived, because they didn't exist to begin with.

Another screen name claims to have the ability to reach out and eliminate the existence of this bothersome screen name. The only catch is that in order to have one user id destroy another user id, you have to part ways with an imaginary tally of digital crypto-currency.

This is not a case of high school classmates cyberbullying one another until one commits suicide. There was never any real world interaction, nor could there have been, because the target of the murder was always hypothetical. He couldn't have known for sure who was responsible for ANY of the screen names.

In contrast, consider cyber bullying, where a classmate knows for a fact that a given login assuredly represents a person they see everyday during class at school, and which point they begin a campaign of deliberate harassment and psychological warfare. One scenario involves verifiable individuals known to eachother in the real world, and the other scenario (the silk road hit) does not.

The drug trade and the bitcoin exchange for real money may portend that his intent to defend the black market network could potentially turn violent, and that perhaps he was of a mindset prone to acting as an accessory before the fact and an accomplice to murder, but nevertheless, I still question the reality of this sting operation, and what it may have actually represented to Ulbricht himself, in situ. Did he honestly think anyone was getting killed for bitcoins, if he never met them face to face? How can we know for sure?

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1) He was arrogant and thought that they would never get that close to him. or He thought that keeping notes offline in an analog format would be safer than keeping digital copies. Also consider that for all the Trade Craft Bin Laden practiced to stay hidden. He was sloppy when it came to the computer drives and notes he kept in his house.

There's a certain commonality there. It didn't matter whether any of Bin Laden's hard drives were encrypted; he was dead when we found him and he knew it. Likewise, from a practical stand point once the Feds came knocking at DPR's front door the jig was up. While the extra evidence will no doubt add a couple of nails to the coffin when this finally goes to trial, chances were that if he was tracked down at all, there…

"But it might also not be irrational to focus exclusively on not getting caught, and not worry so hard about all the extra evidence that will be scooped up with you." - The Walter White Crime Strategy

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5) none of us are as smart as we think we are.

Corollary: The FBI is sharper than we lead ourselves to believe. (Not to say they are gods among men, but if you believe The Internet, the FBI couldn't sleuth their way out of a wet paper bag)

The Internet watches too much television.

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I don't know honestly, though you don't think it's possible the government would try to demonize someone in order to gain public support?

So you have no real strong reason why the government would demonize him in this case, which is sufficient evidence to prop this hypothesis all the way in your mind to "very plausible"? Wonderful.

It is very reasonable this is something the government would do. There are loads of historical accounts of intelligence/military agencies doing this. It's mainly called propaganda.

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So, as an armchair juror, 3 enourmous questions spring to mind: 1. Why would a man, who allegedly built an extremely profitable empire using robust cryptographic software, not have enough expertise to employ powerful encypted countermeasures on his personal machine? Why wasn't his hard drive encrypted? Why were there no plans to erase and destroy data at a moment's notice, in the event that he gets arrested? Are we e…

1) The drive was very likely encrypted. The FBI deliberately waited until he was using the laptop in a public location, and tackled him so they could explore the drive while it was still logged in. As to why he wrote everything down in a diary, or didn't plan for that eventuality...seems to be a combination of hubris, inexperience, and naivety.

2) Yes. They can be authenticated by the officers who took them. The officers merely state that they tackled Ross in the library, and that they personally photographed what was on the screen, and that the image you see is said photograph. You are of course correct that they could be fabricated, but that's up to his defense attorney to argue, and for a jury to believe is enough to constitute "reasonable doubt" in their collective minds.

3) Again, evidence does not have to be perfect. Everything you argue applies to any kind of evidence. What's to say the witnesses testimony wasn't coerced? The letter forged? The rules of evidence come into play here, as well as the jury's role in deciding what to believe. That said, it's certainly an interesting issue, and it would be great if there were stronger chain-of-custody and verification rules for digital evidence collected from a seized hard-drive, for example.

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I don't know honestly, though you don't think it's possible the government would try to demonize someone in order to gain public support?

This is a real-life chewbacca defense if I ever heard one.

Ha. That made me laugh. The point is if you make someone look extremely evil, more "normal" people are less likely to show any support or sympathy towards them, right? Some who might have been neutral about a black market where you can buy drugs (that the government deems illegal) who would have supported the person who owned/managed it, whereas now I imagine they'd be less likely speak up.

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This is a real-life chewbacca defense if I ever heard one.

Ha. That made me laugh. The point is if you make someone look extremely evil, more "normal" people are less likely to show any support or sympathy towards them, right? Some who might have been neutral about a black market where you can buy drugs (that the government deems illegal) who would have supported the person who owned/managed it, whereas now I imagine they'd be less likely speak up.

Right, but that's like arguing the government clearly controls the weather, because of how convenient it would be for them if they could.

You're just saying, "Well I could see them setting him up" and hoping that counts as evidence.

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