Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a purely market basis, 400k buys talent comparable to a senior manager / director of the Chrome or Safari team of ~100 people, not a VP or CEO of a company with $100m annual revenue. $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn.
> $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn. Or a little under twice that of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ( pop. 60 million ), when summing his MP and Government jobs. The combined ministerial and parliamentary salary of the Prime Minister is £142,500 at April 2013 I'm fairly confident in saying that David Cameron puts in considerably…
Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
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Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#82I'm so sick of this argument about Mozilla. It is like saying a Principal Engineer at Microsoft relies on Microsof because it provides 90% of his income. Last time Mozilla's contract was up for negotiation, they caused bidding war that increased their value over the previous contract...it wasn't Google's generosity. You are a fool if you think Mozilla is beholden to Google.
So more accurate reasoning is "Search advertising is the best, Mozilla drives a lot of traffic, any search engine would love to have 'control' over Mozilla's choice of default search provider and how that works to insure they get the traffic from Mozilla customers."
So no, Mozilla doesn't need a 'backup' plan unless Bing goes away.
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft wasn't interested in paying anything near that much, nor was Yahoo, that's why talks collapsed during the negotiations. Google does consider the search engine placement valuable but it is probably also funding Mozilla as a hedge against anti-trust lawsuits.
Also, with Yahoo's search results now coming from Bing, this does mean that the biggest potential sources of funding are all linked to companies who compete directly with Mozilla's biggest product - Google and Microsoft have their own browsers. It's certainly not an ideal position for Mozilla.
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#84However, this is far from the case for Mozilla. Google pays Mozilla in order to be the DEFAULT search engine (which is valuable on the theory of consumer inertia). The default position is a limited commodity; there is only one default position and, therefore, by doing business with Google they are passing on other business. If Google left then Mozilla would be able to sell that default position to someone else (probably Yahoo or Microsoft) and would be able to replace most of that revenue with comparable revenue very quickly.
I would argue Google is in the more difficult position here. Google has a some (not a lot) concentration of their acquired traffic from Mozilla (I think ~10%), and that is not a limited commodity. If there were other comparable traffic acquisition opportunities available, Google would pursue them. Google is not necessarily passing on other business because of their business with Mozilla (while, as explained above, Mozilla is passing on other business because of their Google deal). So presumably if Mozilla and Google part ways, that Google business (revenue, profit etc.) would be lost (at least for now) and take some time / effort to replace. While Mozilla’s power over Google is definitely small, I would say with certainty Mozilla should not be concerned about their Google concentration in this scenario.
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
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Going after the enterprise market wouldn't earn Mozilla any tangible amount of revenue.
I do not understand your remark : enterprise market is traditionally viewed as very lucrative. RedHat, Jboss , SpringFramework folks are doing remarkably well in the enterprise market though they had roots in free and opensource software movement.
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#86I'm so sick of this argument about Mozilla. It is like saying a Principal Engineer at Microsoft relies on Microsof because it provides 90% of his income. Last time Mozilla's contract was up for negotiation, they caused bidding war that increased their value over the previous contract...it wasn't Google's generosity. You are a fool if you think Mozilla is beholden to Google.
It is "TheNextWeb" here, so not exactly deep journalism. Its true that if Google declined to support Mozilla that Microsoft could get in there for less than the $300M that Google paid, and it would probably push Bing closer to parity with Google in terms of searches done. So more accurate reasoning is "Search advertising is the best, Mozilla drives a lot of traffic, any search engine would love to have 'control' over…
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a better argument is that Mozilla needs to diversify its revenue sources. Chrome is taking away marketshare from Firefox thanks to advertising and paying a lot to be bundled with Java, Flash, Acrobat etc. updates or just being shipped as default by the PC OEMs. It makes sense for Google because then they needn't pay out so much to Mozilla. For many non tech folks where I had replaced IE with Firefox, I now se…
I wish I could find a "market share over time" chart but I can't. Anyways, IIRC I don't believe Chrome is still taking (much) aware from Firefox. They did for a long time but then flattened. Recently Chrome has dipped a little and Firefox is up: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/01/ie11-takes-1-49-mar...
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
And there's also Google trends.
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a purely market basis, 400k buys talent comparable to a senior manager / director of the Chrome or Safari team of ~100 people, not a VP or CEO of a company with $100m annual revenue. $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn.
> $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn. Or a little under twice that of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ( pop. 60 million ), when summing his MP and Government jobs. The combined ministerial and parliamentary salary of the Prime Minister is £142,500 at April 2013 I'm fairly confident in saying that David Cameron puts in considerably…
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a purely market basis, 400k buys talent comparable to a senior manager / director of the Chrome or Safari team of ~100 people, not a VP or CEO of a company with $100m annual revenue. $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn.
> $400k is what one-trick ponies like doctors and lawyers and traditional industry local small business owners earn. Or a little under twice that of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ( pop. 60 million ), when summing his MP and Government jobs. The combined ministerial and parliamentary salary of the Prime Minister is £142,500 at April 2013 I'm fairly confident in saying that David Cameron puts in considerably…
Re: Mozilla’s reliance on Google is increasing: 90% of 2012 revenue
#90Where is the evidence that the revenue is coming from Google ? If you look at the actual report[1], Google is never mentioned. From that all we can conclude is that Mozilla has made more revenue on Royalties. Mozilla has diversified it's income stream with FirefoxOS and it's entry into the mobile market. Couldn't some of the royalties come from Telephonica and other mobile operators ? [1]: https://static.mozilla.com/…