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Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters

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Re: Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters

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This is a poor decision - the party in power will be able to appoint extremists. This may be temporary pleasing, but at some point the other party will be in power, with the net result that the judiciary will be filled judges of less moderation and more politics.

The current situation is that the party in power doesn't get to appoint anyone. What good is power then?

I would choose that over the alternative.

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Just a shot across the bow.

If we continue to see blanket obstructionism on legislation, I expect to see the filibuster limited there too (or made more difficult). That is when the cannonballs will start flying.

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The argument for not appointing any more appeals judges was that the caseload was light enough, that no more were needed. In my opinion, it was right for the Senate to give up a little power here. They should be exercising more oversight powers in other areas.

The Senate is giving up NO power. The Senate is deciding to act democratically now, on a simply majority vote, instead of being hobbled by a super-minority, and only for presidential nominations. Truly inappropriate nominations (ie, Harriet Myers) can still be blocked by majority vote. The entire filibuster was never laid out in the constitution, it's a convention adopted by the Senate itself and was used ruthlessly…

It's also been used (by both sides) to block all kinds of other things, from tax cuts to tax hikes, debt ceiling increases, defense authorizations, New Deal legislation, and judicial appointees. As a Senator, President Obama even voted to filibuster John Roberts appointment, who was fairly universally seen as a highly competent, qualified nominee as Chief Justice. In short, the filibuster has been used for the purpose it was designed for (a check on majority power in the Senate, which was designed to be much more conservative than the house - whether you like it or not, it's reality), as well as a tool for partisans and racists to get what they want. So basically, like every rule or regulation ever formulated.

Re: Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters

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This is a poor decision - the party in power will be able to appoint extremists. This may be temporary pleasing, but at some point the other party will be in power, with the net result that the judiciary will be filled judges of less moderation and more politics.

Entirely true in some ways, but it may not matter as much as you think.

Seeing very large numbers of cases has a tendency to change political and ideological views over times. The appointees they get are vetted in various ways to at least be qualified at the law, even if they have strong ideologies. Now, certainly, "true believers" aren't going to change, but ...

Plus, the federal judiciary doesn't pay well (relatively speaking), so unless they strongly care about deciding hundreds of random crappy cases, they often leave for greener pastures.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current situation is that the party in power doesn't get to appoint anyone. What good is power then?

I would choose that over the alternative.

Except it's quickly reaching the point where they don't even have a quorum of judges.

A number of circuits are having to pull judges from other circuits in order to decide cases ...

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What's stopping the Senate from reverting back to the old rules just before the next Senate/Presidential elections?

They could do that, but there is also no reason that Republicans, should they take power, would just revert back again, and potentially go farther.

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The argument for not appointing any more appeals judges was that the caseload was light enough, that no more were needed. In my opinion, it was right for the Senate to give up a little power here. They should be exercising more oversight powers in other areas.

"The argument for not appointing any more appeals judges was that the caseload was light enough, that no more were needed. "

This is of course, completely and totally false. One only needs to look at the stats to see that, depending on circuit, they end up with something like 3 new appeals per day on the low side, and 40 new appeals per day on the high side.

http://www.uscourts.gov/Viewer.aspx?doc=/uscourts/Statistics...

Given the amount of time and effort it takes to decide a single appeal, the caseload is not "light" by any stretch of the imagination.

Pendency is huge (even though very slowly decreasing on average)

These stats also don't count the time it actually takes to hear argument on cases, etc. Just the number of filings.

Re: Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters

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post #12

What's stopping the Senate from reverting back to the old rules just before the next Senate/Presidential elections?

Nothing. These are rules of the Senate so they can be changed at will whenever they choose. Well, within the rules of the Senate that covers changing the rules of the Senate.

But since it was done, it'll be easier to repeat it in the future. Which was why most wanted to avoid doing it over the years.

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