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Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I opened it in a background tab. Still completely unacceptable. (EDIT: as in, your site is giving a value proposition and I don't accept it if it includes a massive popup)

Well that's entitled. It's his site, he can do what he wants. Even if that does mean that I'll put it through Instapaper to avoid that stuff and not sign up to his mailing list.

It's not. I'm just giving a data point, as is jc4p, as is codegeek. So are the up-voters.

What part of what I said gave you the impression of entitlement? I didn't say "I deserve to read this without ads". I said "I stopped reading because you put a massive pop-up that filled the entire screen and prevented me from reading it, I don't find that acceptable, and so closed the tab".

Would it be better to have no feedback about why people are bouncing?

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#32
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I opened it in a background tab. Still completely unacceptable. (EDIT: as in, your site is giving a value proposition and I don't accept it if it includes a massive popup)

Sorry your hacker news experience was ruined today, perhaps you can ask for a partial refund for your troubles.

I'm not going to copy and paste my answer to girvo, but that. I didn't have to take the trouble to give feedback.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry your hacker news experience was ruined today, perhaps you can ask for a partial refund for your troubles.

I'm not going to copy and paste my answer to girvo, but that. I didn't have to take the trouble to give feedback.

Hey, I agree that it's a PITA - I didn't get it when I loaded the page - and I hate pages that do that,

Writing "Still completely unacceptable." makes you come across as though you were ripped off in some way..

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#34
post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

Khan Academy has a nice 12 minute long video on this topic: https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-fi...

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#35
> Importantly, with eight months of runway, Groove didn’t need the money. There were great arguments to be made about how we could use the money, but weren’t running out of cash.

No other reason is needed. If you don't need the money, and if you believe in the business, you don't need to justify turning down external investment. In fact, I'd argue that turning down money is harder than accepting it

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#36
Great read, however, I don't agree to the following:

>If we had taken in a few million dollars, my focus would’ve been on scaling: getting as many customers as possible to use our shitty app.

VCs are not devils, so when you tell them you need to reach the Product/Market fit before you scale, I'm sure they would understand.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#37
Ultimately, this is a decision every founder must make for themselves. Without knowing the specifics of the offer, it's also hard to really know what went behind it.

Having said that, the rule of thumb is that you want at least 12 months of runway, and that's at the rate you want to go at. It takes typically around 6 months (if things go well) to raise VC money (unless they come to you - which is pretty rare).

From what I understood, Groove had 8 months at the current runway - before hiring the additional people they want to bring on board. That's typically when you start raising before you go into the danger zone with your runway. Also, considering the current perceived drought of Series-A funding, a $5M offer for a business generating $16k monthly is an outlier.

Of course, I hope Groove does well and never needs this money. Also, it's possible the deal terms were not favorable, though it's not mentioned specifically in the post. If that was not the case, in my opinion they had a chance to significantly derisk their business and they choose not to take it. Time would tell if their gamble pays off or not.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

#38
Well written article. In my brief stint with YC and other startup circles, I think one big takeaway I've had is that most (or at least many) people who want to start a startup or hit it big with a startup actually really want a lifestyle business. Hyper growth isn't the goal of the founders. Their goal is to create a good product that helps people and allows the founders to live comfortably and be happy with their work. Raising VC funding is not counter to many of those goals, but it's not the only (or best) path to them in most cases.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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I just see a HUGE ad asking for my email address and a passive-aggressive "No thanks, I don't want to grow my business", the rest of the page blacked out. I can tell there's content underneath but screw that, I'm not reading it after that.

I agree. I didn't even click on the main link because I saw a mention of this popup with the silly wording used for the button to close it. I would definitely not proceed after that.
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