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Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

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Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

That's sorta it, yeah. rather than the money going into your personal bank account, the company sells part of itself, and the money goes in the company's bank account.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

The really short version is that the company sells (probably newly created) shared in exchange for money. The owners of the company are generally not selling their own shares. That would lead to serious complexity.

If you want to know more, read Venture Deals[1]. It's very thorough and well written.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Venture-Deals-Smarter-Lawyer-Capitalis...

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

Okay, so yes, you are mechanically correct in that if you sold 10% of your shares for $1m, you would get the cash not the company.

However, the way funding events work in real life is that new shares are created by the company and then sold to the investors.

As a very math-simple example, I have 1m shares in my company, and I own 100% of them. Some VCs want to take a ~33% share of the company for $5m. My "board" (me) creates 500k new shares, and sells/gives them to the investors for $5m. Now there are a total of 1.5m shares, of which I own 1m, and the VCs own 500k.

EDIT: sometimes, though, a founder will sell part of their shares to the VCs during a funding event. That's usually to help give the founder a little liquidity and cash.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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I'm excited by companies like this. I think you actually get the ability to do something that transcends just making a product and selling it. You get a chance to change what it means to grow and run a business. Groove might end up being very influential and meaningful beyond just customer support, like 37signals has. That's hard to do if you are shooting for an exit in 3-5 years just to be swallowed up by a big company.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

I'm not sure I understand the question. What do you mean by "you have money in your personal bank account?" Are you saying that some of the money put in by a VC ends up in your personal bank account? If it does, it's through a salary you withdraw from the company. VCs, or any investor, will want X seats in your board, which will also give them a say about your salary. So if you got $1M in funding, no sane board will allow you to take a $700K salary. Your win from the investment is that now your company has money to move faster, by hiring more talented people, buy equipment that is important to the business, pay vendors, etc. In short, to scale. You, the founder, keep a % of the company throughout this time, but you'd only see it translate to real money in the case of an acquisition/IPO/sell off. Your motivation, then, is to increase the value of the company so that % you have in the company will translate to more money in the cases I mentioned. After this long answer, I feel like I still haven't actually answered your question because you're probably asking about something more subtle :-)

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

Okay, so yes, you are mechanically correct in that if you sold 10% of your shares for $1m, you would get the cash not the company. However, the way funding events work in real life is that new shares are created by the company and then sold to the investors. As a very math-simple example, I have 1m shares in my company, and I own 100% of them. Some VCs want to take a ~33% share of the company for $5m. My "board" (me)…

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Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

Okay, so yes, you are mechanically correct in that if you sold 10% of your shares for $1m, you would get the cash not the company. However, the way funding events work in real life is that new shares are created by the company and then sold to the investors. As a very math-simple example, I have 1m shares in my company, and I own 100% of them. Some VCs want to take a ~33% share of the company for $5m. My "board" (me)…

I think it's more typical to issue, for example, 10M shares, take 3M for yourself, and leave the rest for employees/VCs/whatever (rather than issue new ones, in a first round)

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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Sorry about that, should have only popped up if you left the page :( Gonna have to talk to bounceexchnage.com about this... Thanks for the heads up.

FWIW I opened it in a background tab. Still completely unacceptable. (EDIT: as in, your site is giving a value proposition and I don't accept it if it includes a massive popup)

Sorry your hacker news experience was ruined today, perhaps you can ask for a partial refund for your troubles.

Re: Why I Turned Down $5 Million in VC Funding

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post #19

Probably off-topic, but something I've never understood reading these things: How does this funding actually work? From what little I know (the stock market) you'd sell an equity stake in your company for a certain amount and you have money in your personal bank account. But it sounds to me like all these funds somehow go back into the company?? how?? what am I missing?

Okay, so yes, you are mechanically correct in that if you sold 10% of your shares for $1m, you would get the cash not the company. However, the way funding events work in real life is that new shares are created by the company and then sold to the investors. As a very math-simple example, I have 1m shares in my company, and I own 100% of them. Some VCs want to take a ~33% share of the company for $5m. My "board" (me)…

This answers my question, thank you.

I had never thought of the company itself creating more shares, this is what I was missing in my thought process.

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