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US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Hilarious. It baffles me how this country continues to operate given the massive public spending/benefits, delightful reforms (e.g. proposed 80% tax rate for high-earners) and pretty xenophobic view on immigration. ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future.

Printed money is a helluva drug.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

Erm, ask the US?

US doesn't need courts to deal out the punishments

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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UK banks are just as bad. A company I worked for previously gave a bank's investment products a high risk rating because of poor investments/compliance and they sent all sorts of nasty shit out.

Every bank has a "send people nasty shit" department by the looks.

The answer is as always: "fuck off".

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

It is a peculiarity of French administrative law. It's not a court that fined Mish, but an Autorité Administrative Indépendante (AAI or independent administrative authority, but I'm sure you did not need the translation) with the power to fine people (there are only a few).

Basically, if he appeals, it will very probably be overturned by a proper judge. Another AAI in charge of the regulation of the telecommunications sector got striken badly by a decision of our Constitutionnal court (no less) which suppressed its power to pronounce sanctions, judging the protection of the rights of defence was not effective. It's going to end the same way here I would say.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the French are fed up with US judges doing this all the time and this is some kind of revenge?

But U.S. judges don't do this all the time. Meanwhile, a number of European countries (notably the U.K.) are famous for dragging foreigners into defamation cases for conduct that happened entirely outside the country. The U.S. tends to invoke jurisdiction only when you do something quite targeted at the U.S.

> happened entirely outside the country

> do something quite targeted at the U.S.

You realize that those are two different measuring sticks?

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But U.S. judges don't do this all the time. Meanwhile, a number of European countries (notably the U.K.) are famous for dragging foreigners into defamation cases for conduct that happened entirely outside the country. The U.S. tends to invoke jurisdiction only when you do something quite targeted at the U.S.

Kim Dotcom?

That wasnt a defamation case they were trying to bring him to court for copyright and online piracy violations.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #19

Hilarious. It baffles me how this country continues to operate given the massive public spending/benefits, delightful reforms (e.g. proposed 80% tax rate for high-earners) and pretty xenophobic view on immigration. ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future.

>ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future.

You are aware that there might be a tiny hint of selection bias at play there... right? ;)

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #20
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I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

It's a bit more subtle. French judges consider that they have jurisdiction if one of the party is in France or (for internet-related things) if the intended public is french. See LICRA vs Yahoo! linked in another comment.

But the intended public wasn't French in this case? The guy is an English-language blogger.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

Courts in France have never bothered about jurisdiction when it comes to the Internet. See [1] and [2], for e.g. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LICRA_v._Yahoo ! [2] http://news.yahoo.com/french-court-google-must-drop-9-mosley...

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia#France (Although I'm not sure any courts were involved in that)
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