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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jonahx »

jrs99 wrote: post #46
super_mario wrote: post #33

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Not very likely now that most of us have a computer in our pockets that can beat each of these guys. Chess will never be the same again.

one reason why Poker is becoming the great strategic game for all of the World (or so it seems)

Limit holdem has already fallen (see, eg, polaris and sonia --- and even freely available software like neopokerbot is very strong)

It appears that NL is close to falling too, if it hasn't already: http://www.pokersnowie.com/

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by kzrdude »

kamaal wrote: post #44
kzrdude wrote: post #21

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Anand seems to have some frustrations. In an interview he lamented that he reached GM at the age of 18, while the youngest have been able to do that at 12 or 13 (Magnus at 13). He's not content with being the world champion, he wants to be the youngest, most talented, etc too. Can't have everything. Since internet commentary is always interpreted with a negative tone, I'll edit to add: Anand is a fascinating personal…

>>he wants to be the youngest, most talented, etc too. Can't have everything. As an Indian, and someone who practically looks at Anand as a role mode. I would be disappointed if Anand really had that attitude. Frankly speaking, I don't like the 'naturally talented' or 'natural genius' or this whole belief that people are born with some skills that can't be matched by other people. This isn't just about chess. This so…

I agree! I just don't know how to fix it.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by trycatch »

By the way, there is a very interesting tournament going on currently -- TCEC, unofficial computer chess championship [1]. The main intrigue of the tournament is the fight between Stockfish and Komodo. Houdini, dominating engine in the last few years, already lost any chances to go into the superfinal -- two very strong challengers, Komodo and Stockfish, in the last few months were able to eat huge advantage of Houdini. The author of Komodo, Don Dailey, is terminally ill, according to his wife he has just a few days to live, so it's possible that he will not know if his engine will win or not. It's really heartbreaking, he was very active in the chat of TCEC just a few days ago, commenting games, discussing computer chess and so on. Stockfish is an open-source engine that uses distributed testing framework, so anybody can participate in its development donating CPU time [2]. Both engines are very strong and have relatively equal strength.

[1] http://tcec.chessdom.com/ [2] http://tests.stockfishchess.org/

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by S4M »

dfan wrote: post #42
jrs99 wrote: post #39

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dfan, you make good points. But also we need to keep in mind that today's top players on an absolute level, really probably are better than previous era's top players. They simply have access to the past, and technology. More databases, more games played, internet giving opportunity to play many, many more games. Programs to analyze their play, coaching in the modern era, etc. That is something that Anand didn't real…

Yes, exactly! It is no insult to players from earlier eras that today's players have surpassed them, just as it is no insult to track and field athletes from earlier eras that their records don't still stand. Today's athletes have better equipment, better training, and better medicine, just as today's chess players have 24-hour access to computers better than any human and databases with millions of games. It would b…

Also at chess, new players can learn from the previous top players.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

jonahx wrote: post #51
jrs99 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

one reason why Poker is becoming the great strategic game for all of the World (or so it seems)

Limit holdem has already fallen (see, eg, polaris and sonia --- and even freely available software like neopokerbot is very strong) It appears that NL is close to falling too, if it hasn't already: http://www.pokersnowie.com/

what about Go?

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

auctiontheory wrote: post #50
robrenaud wrote: post #41

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Fuck looks/face/perception. I don't care what you think about me. I just want to win (within the rules, of course).

Once you get a reputation for playing out positions more than a rook down, you may have a harder time getting tournament invitations, sponsors, collaborators, etc. If you're an amateur, soon even your friends won't want to play you.

it's about personality. some players do play on for a while and it is part of the rules and has nothing to do with tournament invitations. You can play for as long as you want within the rules, and every once in a while, people do just that.

Others will resign very prematurely and they say so. They say they just didn't "feel" the position. Computer analysis later on says they are equal in position, though.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by oskarth »

jrs99 wrote: post #45
TylerE wrote: post #38

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I don't buy that at all, no more so than the existence of motor vehicles have made track and field events irrelevant. If anything, wide accessibility of very strong computer engines only boosts the high-level game, as it enables very deep analysis - opening theory has moved quite a bit in the last 20-30 years.

track and field is largely irrelevant. Chess is pretty irrelevant, no matter how much i love it. avant-garde Novels are also irrelevant. What i mean is that a huge majority of gifted athletes will not be going into track and field. The best athletes aren't pro runners. I'm not saying that there aren't great runners who are athletes, just that soccer, and basketball will be taking a lot of the talent away from track.…

I am curious to see what you base this on. Sounds like a lot of hand-wavy speculation to me. If you would have talked about Americans going for American Football in college rather than say, Olympic Weightlifting, that would be a different thing.

When exactly does someone like a Carlsen (Norway) or Anand (India), as "gameplayers", choose to go into a different game than chess?

As an example, I used to play chess when I was younger. Plenty of people later took up things like poker and starcraft, and a few became quite successful at it. These people were generally not the best chess players, instead they were more likely to be average / slightly above average (for being serious club players) in chess.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

auctiontheory wrote: post #50
robrenaud wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck looks/face/perception. I don't care what you think about me. I just want to win (within the rules, of course).

Once you get a reputation for playing out positions more than a rook down, you may have a harder time getting tournament invitations, sponsors, collaborators, etc. If you're an amateur, soon even your friends won't want to play you.

If Carlsen started playing out all his games do you think he wouldn't be invited into tournaments?

He'd be in the tournaments, it would just be a waste of time for him to play out all the games, when he is certain to lose. instead, he resigns and relaxes his mind and winds down before the next game.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by anExcitedBeast »

auctiontheory wrote: post #53

Carlsen is the best/only hope for chess to clean up its act (reinventing FIDE and the Candidates process), and market itself to the broader Western public, much as poker has been marketed. Keeping my fingers crossed.

As a chess player and fan, this will never happen. Poker can be very fun to watch, even for people who don't know how it's played. Chess is often boring to watch, even for people who do know how it's played. Can it's profile be increased? Absolutely. Will it ever compare to the television success of poker? I doubt it, but that's OK.
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