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US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

There would be enough jurisdiction to arrest the guy if he happened to travel to France though. Maybe not enough to have any charges stick, but probably enough to make his life misérables.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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I hereby fine Société Générale 8,000 bitcoins for violating the American constitution (never mind jurisdiction since they don't care for it either), notice duly served by posting this comment in a public forum and witnessed by whoever happens to read this.

Subsequent letters will be in Swahili and SG will be required to respond in Swahili.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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I hereby fine Société Générale 8,000 bitcoins for violating the American constitution (never mind jurisdiction since they don't care for it either), notice duly served by posting this comment in a public forum and witnessed by whoever happens to read this.

Hereby notarized by a third-party.

As the jury, I formally affirm this seems legit.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #9
post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

Maybe the French are fed up with US judges doing this all the time and this is some kind of revenge?

But U.S. judges don't do this all the time. Meanwhile, a number of European countries (notably the U.K.) are famous for dragging foreigners into defamation cases for conduct that happened entirely outside the country. The U.S. tends to invoke jurisdiction only when you do something quite targeted at the U.S.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #2

I hereby fine Société Générale 8,000 bitcoins for violating the American constitution (never mind jurisdiction since they don't care for it either), notice duly served by posting this comment in a public forum and witnessed by whoever happens to read this.

Subsequent letters will be in Navajo, and the recipient will be required to respond in Navajo

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #7
post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

Courts in France have never bothered about jurisdiction when it comes to the Internet. See [1] and [2], for e.g. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LICRA_v._Yahoo ! [2] http://news.yahoo.com/french-court-google-must-drop-9-mosley...

Ehh, Google has meaningful ties to France; ie. they do business there.

    Google Paris

    8 Rue de Londres

    75009 Paris

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #14
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the French are fed up with US judges doing this all the time and this is some kind of revenge?

But U.S. judges don't do this all the time. Meanwhile, a number of European countries (notably the U.K.) are famous for dragging foreigners into defamation cases for conduct that happened entirely outside the country. The U.S. tends to invoke jurisdiction only when you do something quite targeted at the U.S.

Kim Dotcom?

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

What do you mean by "no jurisdiction over someone?" If a crime was committed in france they can ask for extradition. That would probably not result in anything in this case, but as long as it's a crime by french law committed in france the case may as well be valid. So all the court will check whether a punishable crime was committed in france.

They could collect the fine when the blogger enters france or maybe, depending on the case, the european union or an associated state.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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Hilarious. It baffles me how this country continues to operate given the massive public spending/benefits, delightful reforms (e.g. proposed 80% tax rate for high-earners) and pretty xenophobic view on immigration. ALL of my (highly-skilled) French friends do not plan to return in the foreseeable future.

Re: US blogger fined 8,000 Euros by France for criticizing Société Générale

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post #3

I don't understand how this court system can be so silly as to fail to recognize that it has no jurisdiction over someone. Isn't the question of jurisdiction one of the first steps in any court case?

It's a bit more subtle. French judges consider that they have jurisdiction if one of the party is in France or (for internet-related things) if the intended public is french. See LICRA vs Yahoo! linked in another comment.
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