Live data from Hacker News

Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

winamp.com

241–250 of 524 posts

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#241
post #11

Makes you wonder why they cannot open source the code instead of completely killing it.

Probably because the codebase stinks and releasing it would end up in multiple vulnerability discoveries.

How would the vulnerability discovery work? Is the current code encrypted so that it can't be viewed?

My understanding of the process is that code is written in a language that must be compiled. After it is compiled, it is then "packaged" into an installer file, whose internals cannot be examined. After it is installed, it then consists of a directory full of files which help run the program, but these can still not be examined.

Is it true that the code cannot be seen at all these stages? No way to reverse engineer it?

And by open sourcing, an experienced person could see ways to break the code by causing infinite loops, creating false helper files, using a fake "mp3" file, etc?

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TheSOB88, you're hellbanned so barely anyone can see your comments.

What's this about? Parent's unsername is not TheSOB88.

HN has an amusingly childish policy of hellbanning individuals it deems inappropriate or otherwise objectionable--hellbanning hides the banned account's comments to everyone unless you set "showdead" to true in your account preferences.

Some users have started kindly informing the hellbanned posters that, for whatever reasons, don't seem to notice that no one ever responds or upvotes their comments.

If I may get on my soapbox (if I wasn't already), I find the whole thing symptomatic of Silicon Valley's culture of networking hell and reputation management. It's a policy of elitism; a policy that disenfranchises in the name of some fictional notion of quality; a policy that demonstrates just how rotten the tech industry is at heart.

Why do I go that far? Because community culture is indicative of so many things. This is the community and atmosphere that pg set up, that pg creates, moderates, and maintains.

pg may not be formally 'responsible,' but he's certainly at the head.

Because I'm an asshole, but not enough of one to get hellbanned (at least on this account), I am in some state of suspension: an artificial delay imposed on every request.

(That's what I don't get about HN's moderation: what, did you think I wouldn't notice that you're essentially trying to herd me like chattel? I stubbornly keep this account kicking out of simple contrariness.)

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#245
post #59

Ars had a really nice article about the history of Winamp and of what went wrong: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/06/winamp-how-greatest-...

I think what "went wrong" can be summed up in a sentence. The player was never built to be a publishing platform or had any other monetization angle built into it.

As soon as it started getting features that would support this, the technical audience saw it coming a mile away and never adopted the required usage patterns needed to leverage such a monetization strategy. And not just because they wanted to avoid paying for music, but because the service model is just a pain in the ass compared to the self-service model.

"It could have been Pandora" ignores the fact that Pandora basically sucks and people just tolerate it. People want to be in control of their software despite what the business fucks running "IT" think now, conceptualizing a "service" where none is needed, trying to pull infinite profit from such trivial functions such as routing packets correctly or parsing compressed audio and routing it through hardware to a speaker without pointless and pathetic DRM algorithms trying to detect time-skewed copyright audio.. sigh. by setting the bar so low that people think that shitfuck-suck software is what you have to put up with unless you have "long term support" or other wedges into your conceptual/computational sovereignty to do something as simple as publish a document and expect it to be readable on another computer in 10 years, a problem that was solved 200 years ago is now the cutting edge of business technology and development, fueling well known multinationals such as Apple, Microsoft and Amazon.

Computing never was meant to be a platform for economic revolution, it just abstracts away paper work. You still have the exact same problems as with the internet as without it. I won't say the internet bubble is over until the world is actually simpler with computers instead of way, way more complicated and outright retarded in many aspects.

NO, WINAMP DIDN'T FAIL, in contrary, economic motivations failed to make Winamp suck, failed to steal a public resource and public work. Failed to co-opt the direction and passion of artists. AOL failed to capitalize on selfless engineering that actually solved a problem the correct way, it failed to corrupt the best solution with advertising indicators and economic feedback loops built into a market, shoehorned into an audio player. It failed to take us back instead of forward, like technology is supposed to.

I think the clearest indicator that WINAMP is a success, is the fact that XMMS exists, the fact that people use version 2.x without AOL's "support", 10+ years since release. It's a simple idea: a media player that supports plugins via a standardized API. (a real standard, not a "living standard" business-oxymoron) People still use it, for business and personal usage, and it doesn't tax them to do it, any more than a screwdriver taxes you, but not like the way a "service" taxes you.

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#246
I use Winamp since version 2 when it was released in 1998 (I was 8) I think, my dad started using it and I still use it everyday, nothing can be compared to it, the simplicity of use it's just insuperable, it's the best music player out there and I'll continue using it. I tried AIMP, Foobar in Windows but the just don't... and in Linux the only thing comparable is Audacious but of course it lacks all the development that Winamp carries from all its years, it's a sad day, AOL was the worst thing that could happen to this great piece of software.

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why you run your own "cloud" music service. Personally I use Subsonic, and it is amazing. http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp

Sounded really good until I got to the part about needing to pay a subscription fee.

We all need to eat.

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#248

I just switched back to Winamp after getting fed up with the latest release of iTunes. At least it's a real application that I can download and own for myself, and doesn't stop working just because it's no longer being supported. This is a great example of why I don't move all my data to the cloud, or use browser-based apps for things that matter to me. Hopefully they'll release the codebase to the world.

VLC?

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

foobar is a bit... bare bones imho... and neither it or VLC have the shoutcast stream listing services... which will be an issue without winamp. :-(

foobar is very lightweight and barebones, but it's also easily extensible

Its the mutt of media players (mutt as in the email client)

Re: Winamp shutting down on December 20th, 2013

#250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XMMS - http://www.xmms.org/

Indeed. I still use the 100% perfect XMMS 1. Audacity and XMMS 2 both were a lot worse for some reason (like slower, weird bugs, needlessly unneeded server/client model, ...) In XMMS 1, you can have 10000s of songs in the playlist (i.e. your whole harddisk), and jump to any of them immediately by just pressing the "j" key and typing part of its name, and it remains blazing fast. Not sure how Winamp was these days. I…

I also use XMMS as my primary media player. It "just works" and I don't need a lot of fancy stuff in a music player. XMMS for music, and VLC for video, that's pretty much all I need.
Post reply on HN