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Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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In my opinion Ryanair and Easyjet "hacked" the aviation industry creating a whole new class of low-fare product by cutting costs significantly.

But is safety still high on their priority list though ?!

The worst airline in the world is still safer than your drive to the airport. Is safety on your priority list? (Humans are terrible at judging relative risks.)

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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I have never used the so-called low cost airlines. However I have problems fitting my knees even in high cost economy class. I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space (i.e. we don't need those lounges).

" I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space"

Are you implying the current crop of low cost carriers are somehow "unsafe"? You would be very wrong (at least in the US).

Also, such a carrier exists. It's called Jet Blue.

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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How about rickety old planes that make all sorts of dodgy noises on take off? That's my experience of one of the cheap airlines in particular. Is there any information out there to show the average age of their planes? if they are different then that's a major factor that should be in the comparison.

Heh, pretty much every 737 I've been in, regardless of carrier, feels and sounds rickety on takeoff. I just remind myself that the family of plane I'm in has had only ~200 accidents in approximately ~300 million hours of flight.

That's a seriously good safety record.

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion Ryanair and Easyjet "hacked" the aviation industry creating a whole new class of low-fare product by cutting costs significantly.

But is safety still high on their priority list though ?!

Well, what fraction of cheap flights have crashed vs. normal flights?

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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Something I find astonishing is that the passenger/employee ratio of no-frills airlines is more than 10 times that of traditional airlines, yet all the labour related savings together seem to make up a relatively small part of overall savings. Any explanation for that?

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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post #18

I have never used the so-called low cost airlines. However I have problems fitting my knees even in high cost economy class. I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space (i.e. we don't need those lounges).

" I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space" Are you implying the current crop of low cost carriers are somehow "unsafe"? You would be very wrong (at least in the US). Also, such a carrier exists. It's called Jet Blue.

"Discount air carrier Southwest Airlines flew thousands of passengers on aircraft that federal inspectors said were 'unsafe' as recently as [March 2007]."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/06/southwest.planes/index.html

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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post #18

I have never used the so-called low cost airlines. However I have problems fitting my knees even in high cost economy class. I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space (i.e. we don't need those lounges).

This is exactly the business model Midwest Express/Midwest Airlines pursued; a single-class cabin, 2x2 with first class-style seats. There was typically a $50-$150 premium on Midwest seats.

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

" I would imagine there is a business opportunity for airlines which are willing to cut costs in every way other than safety and passenger space" Are you implying the current crop of low cost carriers are somehow "unsafe"? You would be very wrong (at least in the US). Also, such a carrier exists. It's called Jet Blue.

"Discount air carrier Southwest Airlines flew thousands of passengers on aircraft that federal inspectors said were 'unsafe' as recently as [March 2007]." http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/06/southwest.planes/index.html

Uh huh. Compare the incident records of Southwest and any major carrier, and then get back to us.

The real cost/safety tradeoff in air travel is between national carriers and the rebadged regional carriers that do the short-hop fights for the nationals. Southwest doesn't have any such arrangements, but all the majors do.

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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How about rickety old planes that make all sorts of dodgy noises on take off? That's my experience of one of the cheap airlines in particular. Is there any information out there to show the average age of their planes? if they are different then that's a major factor that should be in the comparison.

You mean Northwest Airlines in the USA, which has the oldest fleet of any carrier? They are a "regular" airline. In a study a few years back their fleet had an average age of 18.1 years.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/02/21_ap...

How would you like to be in your 30s and flying on a plane older than you are?

Re: Why cheap airlines are so cheap

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I really don't care how (un)comfortable I am when I fly for two hours. I walk off the plane and don't give it another thought. You are paying for the A to B ness of the utility, if you want comfort then stay home with the bigscreen and sofa :) Seriously though, for anyone that sits on a commuter bus/train/subway every morning a quick trip in a cramped plane is really nothing.
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